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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:43 pm    Post subject: Getzen 900S Eterna Classic Series Bb: Is $800 a good deal? Reply with quote

So I found on eBay a Getzen 900S Eterna Classic Series Bb. It was selling for $1,200 OBO. I offered $800. Offer was accepted. $902 out the digital door. It's got a minor dent on the bell near the main tuning slide. Everything else seems perfect. Do you think that's a good deal?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good price! I got a mint 900dlx lately and paid 1200 for it. I'm becoming a Getzen fan...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you drove a fair bargain for yourself. I thnk most 900s in good shape can go for 1000 with wiggle room on either side.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's in solid shape it's a good deal in comparison to what I see they go for new. I've never played one but they're supposed to be as close a copy to the original Severinsen Eterna as Getzen could make. If you get a leadpipe replaced the replacement Getzen/Allied sends is the one they put on the Eterna Classic. The finger hook is different.

If you hunt on eBay you should be able to find an original Severinsen for about the same money - but watch out for red rot on the leadpipe which they were known for if they weren't kept clean religiously.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had both an original Severinsen and a current model Eterna Classic. Regarding the Classic coming as close as possible to the original, my understanding is that pertains mainly to current (not older) Eternas.

I couldn't tell the difference between the original Severinsen and the modern Classic. These are both excellent horns.

One caveat. Listen to Doc. If that's the sound you want, go for it. But if it's not, get another horn.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
I've had both an original Severinsen and a current model Eterna Classic. Regarding the classic coming as close as possible to the original, my understanding is that pertains mainly to current (not older) Eternas.

I couldn't tell the difference. These are excellent horns.

One caveat. Listen to Doc. If that's the sound you want, go for it. But if it's not, get another horn.

Right - the ones designated Eterna Classic. Supposedly the Eterna after Doc left wasn't the same or became not the same, I've never played one of those either.

Of course I seem to recall reading somewhere the the Severinsen Eternas changed subtly over time from the start of their run, I've never played an assortment of them to know if I'd be able to tell any difference. I would assume they all had similar characteristics.

Maybe somewhere is the story of why Doc left - maybe he just didn't want to be contractually tied down to appearing with one horn any longer? I seem to recall that he came back to Getzen briefly but it didn't last for whatever reason.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:

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One caveat. Listen to Doc. If that's the sound you want, go for it. But if it's not, get another horn.


That's good insight because, though it has been said rightly "you're going to sound like you," it is also true that the trumpet you're playing will sound like the trumpet you're playing.

From late in 1978 (if memory serves) up until late 2002, I played a DEG (Getzen) student trumpet. I liked the sound I got from it and it served me well for those many years until I started experimenting with affordable (read Chinese) horns as well as some other American student horns and a couple East European (Czech) horns.

Today, I have only one Chinese horn (a flugel that I'm quite fond of, though I wish I had a rich uncle to buy me a Conn Vintage 1 flugel because of the amazing intonation). I had a Bach Stradifakius C trumpet that I ended up GIVING away because it's illegal to sell knockoffs.

I'm looking forward to receiving my Getzen pro horn and I hope that it feels more or less like the Getzen student model (in all the good ways). I suppose getting the Getzen Capri C trumpet was instrumental (maybe pun intended) in pushing me to get the 900S. If it doesn't work out, I'll end up selling it. But I'm thinking it will work out just fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert P wrote:
If it's in solid shape it's a good deal in comparison to what I see they go for new. I've never played one but they're supposed to be as close a copy to the original Severinsen Eterna as Getzen could make. If you get a leadpipe replaced the replacement Getzen/Allied sends is the one they put on the Eterna Classic. The finger hook is different.

If you hunt on eBay you should be able to find an original Severinsen for about the same money - but watch out for red rot on the leadpipe which they were known for if they weren't kept clean religiously.



Uh oh... my Severinsen has definitely not been kept clean religiously. How do I check for red rot in the lead pipe and -- maybe an even dumber question -- what does it mean, practically speaking in terms of playing the horn, if it has some?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it were me looking for Red Rot, I'd take it to a local repairman with a scope and let him tell me. As far as effect, I would say, generally, it doesn't matter if it doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big C wrote:
... what does it mean, practically speaking in terms of playing the horn, if it has some?

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If it 'has some' that means it is likely to get worse unless more thorough cleaning and drying is done on a regular basis.

How fast it will worsen is difficult to predict. If it gets bad enough, there will be a hole through the pipe - and that will degrade playing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big C wrote:
Robert P wrote:
If it's in solid shape it's a good deal in comparison to what I see they go for new. I've never played one but they're supposed to be as close a copy to the original Severinsen Eterna as Getzen could make. If you get a leadpipe replaced the replacement Getzen/Allied sends is the one they put on the Eterna Classic. The finger hook is different.

If you hunt on eBay you should be able to find an original Severinsen for about the same money - but watch out for red rot on the leadpipe which they were known for if they weren't kept clean religiously.



Uh oh... my Severinsen has definitely not been kept clean religiously. How do I check for red rot in the lead pipe and -- maybe an even dumber question -- what does it mean, practically speaking in terms of playing the horn, if it has some?

In the case of mine it was glaringly obvious. It was actually a bit of a circus when I got the horn. There had been a bad dent in the leadpipe which the seller said they'd get fixed. Yeah, they fixed it but there was severe bubbling of the silver plate just below the mouthpiece receiver. When I looked down the leadpipe there were obvious deep craters in the tube walls - it was about as bad as it could be without actually causing pinholes and it would have just been a matter of time. There was no way a competent tech could have not seen it to get to the area that needed fixing. He should have taken one look at it and told him there's no point in fixing that dent this leadpipe is shot. It played but the pipe was in really rough shape. The seller gave me a partial refund to defray the cost of repairs. That and the case is in much rougher shape than was advertised. My next project is to rebuild the case.

To get the new leadpipe it has to be ordered from Getzen's related company Allied Supply by a repair shop with an account, you can't just order one yourself. There's no way to avoid this middleman unfortunately. It took a while - as I understand it Allied waits to get a few of them ordered and then makes and plates them - I got mine in silverplate which was extra. They send the whole thing pre-assembled - new leadpipe, tuning slide receiver, mouthpiece receiver and finger hook so factor that in when getting a quote for work - they don't have to take the old pieces off your old leadpipe and then reassemble them. My recollection is the leadpipe assembly was something like $120 in silver give or take. That was a few years ago.

Were I to do it again I'd order the pipe from a repair shop and solder it on myself since I've subsequently learned to solder.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:20 am    Post subject: Follow up: “Better deal” and comparative playing experie Reply with quote

Follow up on the purchase: there were some dents caused by shipper handling. The seller offered me a $200 discount and I accepted it. So price wise it’s a better deal, but fixing the dents is an unknown cost. The longer I have the horn, the less the little dings matter. But the main ones I really do want to fix, especially if I decide to sell it. I just hope the process doesn’t make it look like a different type of dent.

BTW, the case that the Eterna came with is the nicest case I’ve ever had. Built to last forever, surprisingly heavy. Looks practically new.

So my playing experience is surprising to me. And that is because the higher register is much harder work than on my Omega. That is discouraging because I bought the Getzen thinking it would be as easy to play in the high register as the Yamaha 6320 I had briefly and my Omega. I’d like to think that it’s a matter of getting used to the horn, but it didn’t take me any time at all to get used to the ease of playing on the 6320 or the Omega in the upper register. The Eterna feels like—I hate to even say— it feels like a student horn in the upper register. Such a sad thought. 🥺

I’ve used a couple of different mouthpieces, but that hasn’t made any meaningful difference in terms of the upper register. Now I’m debating whether I should keep the Getzen or not. I am so bummed out.🙁

Interestingly enough, that is not a problem with the Capri C. Love the Capri. Fun to play.

I’m going to give the Eterna some more time, but I’m not very hopeful.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. As mentioned, the price is right. About the high register, has the horn been thoroughly cleaned?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riojazz wrote:
OK. As mentioned, the price is right. About the high register, has the horn been thoroughly cleaned?


First thing I did.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At what point do you feel the horn is holding you back? Above high C?

If you were going to get dings fixed, maybe doing that sooner rather than later and having a GOOD tech look at it may help you detect some other flaw affecting playability that may have happened in shipping.

My everyday range is E above high C and I have a 900, a 907, and an X-13. None of the three hold me back.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be a valve alignment issue.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecoast wrote:
Riojazz wrote:
OK. As mentioned, the price is right. About the high register, has the horn been thoroughly cleaned?


First thing I did.
But of course. Had to check...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irving wrote:
Could be a valve alignment issue.
Now that's an interesting suggestion. My range isn't much, generally F over high C is it, so I really don't know but wouldn't a poor valve alignment manifest itself more by bad intonation with some notes on or just above the staff?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riojazz wrote:
thecoast wrote:
Riojazz wrote:
OK. As mentioned, the price is right. About the high register, has the horn been thoroughly cleaned?


First thing I did.
But of course. Had to check...


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