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Paul T.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:20 pm    Post subject: Best Surviving Caruso Resource/Teacher/Disciple Reply with quote

I have been doing some research on Caruso's methods, teachings, and techniques, and went to NYC to meet up with Laurie Frink. It was my goal to arrange a series of lessons and interviews with her in order to compile a document on Caruso techniques and pedagogy.

Now that Laurie is sadly lost to us (she was an amazing woman!), who would you consider the top resource on all matters Caruso in the world?

Is there anyone close to her level of expertise and connection to Caruso?

If so, who are they, and can you help me get in touch with them (PM me if you have sensitive or private information you're willing to share).

Many thanks in advance!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't she work in partnership with John McNeil? He might be a good source.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://carminecaruso.net/teacherslist.htm
is a solid teacher's list, but who's #1 I don't know
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both!

I'm really looking to see if there's anyone with near the level of expertise and knowledge that Laurie had.

I got the impression that John McNeil does not (despite being a fabulous resource for a million other things), although I'd be happy to be corrected!

Any further thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not personally familiar with everyone on the list that was linked. Of the folks I know, lots of us usually incorporate Carmine's approach with other things we have learned (I think Bob Findlay falls into this category for example, as do I). Even Laurie fell more into this category and often brought in other ideas to blend with Caruso. However, any of us would probably gladly focus specifically on Carmine's teachings if that was your specific quest.

McNeil is a very knowledgeable teacher of Carmine's approach, although he is certainly better known as an improv teacher.

Sam Burtis is great, although he focuses more on low brass. The concepts are the same.

I also know that John Harner and Dave Rogers are teaching based at least in part on the Caruso method.

I'm always available and am considering beginning to teach via skype or facetime.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you! That's very helpful.

So there isn't anyone who stands out as having had a closer connection/more experience/more expertise?

I suppose the most important thing for me is to find someone who is capable of expressing concepts as clearly as possible, and really understands the core of Caruso's teaching (which may not necessarily be the best player or the best teacher).

Any other opinions?

PH (I don't know your name, sorry), I may contact you in the near future! Thank you for the prompt reply.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those in New York City and the surrounding areas, Dominic Derasse (www.dominicderasse.com), is an absolutely fantastic teacher who teaches the Caruso method. He is an excellent musician and master trumpet player.

He told me that when he was studying in Boston, he would commute down for lessons with Carmine...twice a week for a year!

Hope all's well.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all the replies. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this topic?

Is there anyone who was close to Laurie Frink, perhaps, and could be considered to be carrying on the torch, as an authority on Caruso?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Charles Raymond still teaching?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!

Is there anything in particular which makes makes Mr. Charles or Mr. Derasse stand out from other Caruso teachers?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon Crowley studied with Laurie Frink, and seems to be interested in keeping her methods and concepts alive. He has interviewed other former students of Laurie, to get an broader understanding of what techniques she applied for different students' challenges.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bagmangood wrote:
http://carminecaruso.net/teacherslist.htm
is a solid teacher's list, but who's #1 I don't know

This is what I get when I click on that link:

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You attempted to access:
http://carminecaruso.net/teacherslist.htm

This is a known malicious web site. It is recommended that you do NOT visit this site.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no trouble with the link to Caruso teachers.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomba51 wrote:
I have no trouble with the link to Caruso teachers.


Nor do I.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Symantec/Norton got it wrong...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, Sam Burtis in NYC really understands Caruso's ideas.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback on the Norton warning, folks.

As I understand it, the caution is as such. Maybe some of you have inherited something hidden you aren't aware of? If so, I'm adding this so that you can check it out - or reject it. Anyway, if it's helpful - - -

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird.

I have WEbroot and Norton products at home, will have to try there.

We have several layers of AV protection and gobs of websites blocked at work and I was able to get to it fine.

Maybe there was a problem with the site in the past?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul T. wrote:
Thanks!

Is there anything in particular which makes makes Mr. Charles or Mr. Derasse stand out from other Caruso teachers?


I've studied w Laurie, John Mc Neil, Ken Van Winkle, and a few others that taught Caruso, or a Caruso-based system. Dominic Derasse has a personal insight backed by a deep Zen understanding (sorry about the bad writing style, I'm in a rush) of how the mechanics of the trumpet musculature can achieve having the "instrument as an extension of the body".

I'm somewhat young, but Dominic is the most complete trumpet teacher (no offence to all my other profs) I've had in terms of mechanical and production problem solving, musical, and trumpet style, aesthetics, and general career and life advice. I've studied with him for about 1 year.

I'd be happy to answer any other questions. pm or email me. Hope all's well.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honkie wrote:
Jon Crowley studied with Laurie Frink, and seems to be interested in keeping her methods and concepts alive. He has interviewed other former students of Laurie, to get an broader understanding of what techniques she applied for different students' challenges.


I'd highly recommend Jon Crowley. Just like Jon, I studied with Laurie, but in her private studio for two years. He is an enthusiastic teacher and is knowledgeable about her teachings...Jon is positive in his teachings...He responds to email quickly and is available via Skype. I study with him in Brooklyn.

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