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Isaacbyrdjrmusic New Member
Joined: 23 Sep 2014 Posts: 8 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: I want an all around mouthpiece |
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I play jazz and I want a mouthpiece that is good for tone and range. I have a 3C and the 16C4 I have larger lips so the 3C isn't the most comfortable. Any tips |
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trptdave Regular Member
Joined: 17 Jun 2002 Posts: 53
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:42 pm Post subject: I want an alla round mouthpiece |
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I usually do not respond to much anymore, but I will to this. As one who has spent WAY too much money on mouthpieces, let me give you this advice.
Spend the time and money and get fitted for a GR. If you are looking for one piece to kind of be a bit of everything, I think this may be you best bet. Other manufacturers do a great job as well, and there is no mouthpiece that does everything, but spending the time with a trained consultant, or with Brian is well worth it.
For reference you may be looking in the GR 65, 66 or3 range. But I defer to the trained consultants. And no, I no longer sell GR mouthpieces.
Back to lurking for now.
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: I want an all around mouthpiece |
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Isaacbyrdjrmusic wrote: | I play jazz and I want a mouthpiece that is good for tone and range. I have a 3C and the 16C4 I have larger lips so the 3C isn't the most comfortable. Any tips |
Well, you say you want a mouthpiece that is "good for tone and range." What type of tone do you want? Bright for lead? Darker for small combo jazz? Are you playing lead in a big band, or are you playing in a small jazz combo? I know some would disagree with this, but back when I was in college I used a different mouthpiece for concert band than for lead in a (large; approx. 20 piece) jazz band. Schilke 15 for concert band, Schilke 14a4a for jazz band and six piece gigs. Monette BL these days (12 piece funk band).
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2309 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Curry 3 series.. I prefer his 3C but think a 3M could be a viable mouthpiece too. These have the feeling to me of being ever so slightly larger than a Bach 3C - I can't quote the specs.
Much more comfortable, consistent, and versatile that my Bach 3C and Yamaha 14B4. And still reasonably priced. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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trumpetplayer0103 Regular Member
Joined: 03 Mar 2014 Posts: 51 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Monettes work very well, but don't be afraid to go bigger, even if it means you have to practice more. Though it may not be very bright, I can project very well in the upper register with a 16c4. However, I've found a Monette to be more to my liking, and have since switched. |
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Schilkes22 Veteran Member
Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 203 Location: Ephrata,Pa
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Zaferis. I use a Curry 3B for church, and a 3M for Big band stuff. The 3M has a nice sound for lead or 2nd part. Both rims feel exactly the same, so switching back and forth is not an issue. They feel a little bigger than the Bach 3C that I switched from. If I played any small group jazz, I think the 3B would get first nod.
All this being said, I am by no means an expert, just my 2 cents. _________________ I wish I was as good as I thought I was !!!
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Ed Hernandez Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Shew Jazz by Yamaha should be in your try list. _________________ "If you find a job you really like, you'll never work a day in your life".
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wiemelen Veteran Member
Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 451 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Spend the time and money and get fitted for a GR. |
+1
Not the cheapest solution, but most mouthpiece safaris end up being more expensive and take a long time. _________________ Trumpet : Yamaha YTR-9335CHS + Yamaha YTR-6335H
Trumpet mouthpieces : Lotus 2L2 (main) + Lotus 2L
Flugelhorn : Kanstul 1525 with Curry 1,5FL
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rockford Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 2477 Location: Northern VA
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:54 am Post subject: Re: I want an all around mouthpiece |
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Isaacbyrdjrmusic wrote: | I play jazz and I want a mouthpiece that is good for tone and range. I have a 3C and the 16C4 I have larger lips so the 3C isn't the most comfortable. Any tips | Try a Monette 6. It's about the same size as a Bach 3C and could be used effectively in any musical setting. Not too big or too small to be considered a specialized piece. _________________ Bill Siegfried
NY/Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets. Yamaha flugelhorn and piccolo A/Bb, Monette and Hammond mouthpieces. Fender and Peavey Cirrus Bass Guitars. Ampeg and Genz-Benz amps. Embraer 170/175/190. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2610 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Clifford Brown's sound has always been renowned for its juiciness. What mouthpiece did he use? Bach 17C1 and 17C2, equivalent now to Bach 10 3/4 CW. Small. Ditto Conte Condoli. Ditto Fats Navarro. You think of Red Allen's sound as small? Don't think so. He used a very small cup Zottola. Dizzy Gillespie: Al Cass 2-24 & 2-25-equivalent to a Bach 11.75. The list is long. |
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wealy New Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Location: Austin
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:17 am Post subject: |
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I play the Denis Wick 5x for my Pic which made a very big difference in my Pic playing. The day my collage roommate and I got it in the mail we both played it on that night's performance of the Firebird Suite. One of my other old roommates, whom subbed in Maynard's band back in the day, used the 5x as his lead piece. Last year I recommended it to a buddy of mine for his pic and he liked it so much he uses it for everything. He is mainly a jazz guy. As of last week, I started playing it for a musical because it sounds great and feels great down low and up high. I don't think I could play all night on it when playing lead over a big band but I now have a day job and am not as strong as I was as a full time musician.
I don't know anyone who didn't love the mouthpiece. |
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wealy New Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 5 Location: Austin
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Oh, I was told that the gold version on the Denis Wick 5x doesn't really change anything. Just the look. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:38 am Post subject: |
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You are in Florida, make a pilgrimage to Warburton's in beautiful Mims. You can try everything and get good advice from Ken. Gerry Lopez music in Oviedo (Orlando area) has a great selection of mouthieces including Curry, Bob Reeves, Yamaha and Bach. Bill Prang's Husonics in St. Petersburg has a great selection of Marcinkowicz mouthpieces and a lot of interesting trumpets as well.
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hackney_wick Veteran Member
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:00 am Post subject: |
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There no single "tone" that's ideal for all settings. I find I get pretty good results in a wide variety of settings with a Bach 1.5C though I've got a different rim screwed on to it that I like better.
Range isn't like to be greatly affected unless you're the type of player that gets some advantage from shallow/high-compression lead-type mouthpieces...not everyone does. If your range concerns are about lead playing then a shallower cup could give you more edge and presence which would allow you to back off and that could make things easier. Again, not everyone can play shallower pieces to good effect. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9828 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:23 am Post subject: Re: I want an all around mouthpiece |
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Isaacbyrdjrmusic wrote: | I play jazz and I want a mouthpiece that is good for tone and range. I have a 3C and the 16C4 I have larger lips so the 3C isn't the most comfortable. Any tips |
This one is easy!
Get a Curry 3C. model (it's listed as the Curry "3C" model on the WWBW and Mouthpiece Express websites, but if you order through either of them, it is the current 3C. [dot] model you will receive).
The Curry 3C. is based on a smallish Bach Mt Vernon 3C (meaning it is a bit larger than a modern 3C). It has a more comfortable rim than the modern 3C and I think you'll find it perfect for your needs. Like you, I do not like the typical Bach 3C - but I love the Curry 3C. If I had to choose one and only one mouthpiece to play everything on, I'd likely choose the 3C. myself.
Best wishes,
John Mohan
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oliver king Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:16 am Post subject: Re: I want an all around mouthpiece |
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Isaacbyrdjrmusic wrote: | I play jazz and I want a mouthpiece that is good for tone and range. I have a 3C and the 16C4 I have larger lips so the 3C isn't the most comfortable. Any tips |
Call Phyllis at Stork Custom mouthpieces. |
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Try the Yamaha Shew Jazz piece, if you like your Bach 3C except for how it feels. It is just a Bach 3C with a more round rim, and you can find them cheap. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Another thought. That you have larger lips isn't really a good indicator for mouthpiece preference. Don't assume that you need a bigger ID. Rim shape could be as or more critical than diameter.
I like my smaller vintage Bach 3C rim but I'm also comfortable on Yamaha piece from 14 (similar to the Bach 3C) all the way down to size 11 (Bach 7C). I can't say the same for that range of Bach sizes because the rim shapes are all too different. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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brassjunky Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Plenty of suggestions here. Just be aware that the success of a mouthpiece for you may well depend on its match with your trumpet. This is largely influenced by the gap but also back bore. I haven't gone down the road of getting mouthpieces cut for sleeves to adjust the gap, but I have become aware of how different brands of mouthpiece gap differently with my horn, some work well and some don't.
A good way to experiment is to move in small increments away from what already works for you. For example if you like the 16c4 you could try the 16b4, the b means it has a tighter backbore should help with endurance. Or you could try a variation on a 3C, maybe with a softer bite. This way you keep some idea of what is working for or against you in terms of mouthpiece design. _________________ Cannonball 789RSL
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