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Shebulba
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: King 2001 trumpet (the 2000-series) Reply with quote

Hello fellow trumpeters!

I'm new to this forum and I want to start my first thread by asking of information and opinions of a specific horn, the King 2001 pre-UMI. It's from the 1970s and has a .468 bore and 767xxx serial number.

Have anyone played a horn like the 2001 or any King horn in the pre-UMI 2000-series that could give me theri thoughts about it? Is it more a classical/orchestral trumpet or a lead/jazz trupmet?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just saying that the serial could also indicate a trumpet made post 2000. If we are talking about the one on the mirrored photo on a certain Swedish site, I would ask for more pictures before accepting that it is a 70's horn...

For example, the third slide stop rod mechanism is the Bach model, not the Benge model with rounded knobs that King used then. Of course this does not necessarily mean that the trumpet in question is a later horn, it could also have been repaired with these Bach parts, as the Benge parts are out of production now.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What model could it be then do you think? I have recieved lots of more pictures of the horn. It clerany says "2001" on the narrow end of the bell and the case included looks old. You know something about the horn if its a newer instrument? And/or do you know something about that model if it's the older one that i think?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, then. It's just that the serial number doesn't fit perfectly with the supposed manufacture of the 2000 series (1980<). That made me dubious, as I know people who has been fooled by sellers before with this King mess.

Anyway, the serial could be judged as very early 1980 too, then all is fine added the modification of the third valve slide stop. Supposed to be bright sounding horns with good projection.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

King 2000 Series

Welcome to the forum. I have a King 2000 AT and asked a similar question. The link above has some accurate information.

The 2000 Series are pro horns made right before King Musical Instruments sold to UMI. They are from around the 80s. My King 2000 AT is bright enough for lead and darkens up enough on a bigger mouthpiece for more non-commercial playing. Here are 2 clips of a lead style (home studio overdubbed) and a non-commerical (studio recording) style played on my King2000AT years ago.

Non-commericial

commericial

The bell should have King 2001AT on the side.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you fot the info!

This horn does only say 2001 on the bell, not 2001AT. Are you sure the 2001 models also is named AT? Maybe not all of the 2000-series is named AT, I don't know. You know something about that?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shebulba wrote:
Thank you fot the info!

This horn does only say 2001 on the bell, not 2001AT. Are you sure the 2001 models also is named AT? Maybe not all of the 2000-series is named AT, I don't know. You know something about that?

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I am not sure. Does it say King 2001 on the bell side and USA on the second valve? There should be a pic somewhere on the world wide web! The AT is small over to the right a bit and vertical:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Om the bell there is the king crown with "King" underneath. After that it says "2001" pretty big. Is it after that the AT is suppose to be? Where exactly and how big should it be?
The pic is a little unclear but I think it looks like there are some writing on the second valve, "USA" I guess then. Should USA be on the middle of the valve?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go:




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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did you find those pics?
I will try to upload images of the horn I talk about. But it doesn't quite look like the one you showed... I don't see usa neither the AT. What could that mean? Is it not a real 2000-series horn?[/img]
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shebulba wrote:
Where did you find those pics?
I will try to upload images of the horn I talk about. But it doesn't quite look like the one you showed... I don't see usa neither the AT. What could that mean? Is it not a real 2000-series horn?[/img]


I just took them of my King. I am not sure but think the AT should be there. The USA must be there somewhere or something is up.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, alright. Thanks for the help!
Maybe I should ask for better pics of those pats.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are pics of the horn I am talking about. What do you think?






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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is an early production large bore King 2001 series trumpet.

2000 and 2001 where the commercial horns. Good horns. Is there anything on the mouthpiece receiver? The Acoustically Tempered Bell (AT) was maybe a later advertising campaign.

Best of luck with this horn.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it's an erlier horn than your 2000? Is both your horn and this one in the 2000-series that was Kings last pro-series horns?
How do you mean "commercial horns"?

I can't see anything on the receiver. Okay, yeah that may be so. This horn the owner says is from the 1970s. Whas your a 1980s?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shebulba wrote:
So it's an erlier horn than your 2000? Is both your horn and this one in the 2000-series that was Kings last pro-series horns?
How do you mean "commercial horns"?

I can't see anything on the receiver. Okay, yeah that may be so. This horn the owner says is from the 1970s. Whas your a 1980s?

Henrik Johansson


The King company discribed the 2000 & 2001 as bright horns with good projection. That is what I mean by commercial. They described the 2006 & 2007 as symphony horns. I bought mine around 1984. These are pro horns.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all your help and information!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon, do you think your King 2000AT could compete with hors like the Bach Stradivarius, Yamaha Xeno or similar in that class?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am no fan of Bach Strads. I found a New York Bach #365 in New Jersey in an attic in 1964. It was basically a Besson. Very light with great intonation. Unbelievable horn. But it was all patched up and basically fell apart. I could never find another Bach Strad with consistent intonation and projection. I tried dozens and all were slightly different. So I am very prejudged against Bachs and could not give you a fair answer.

I would say the King will hold up to a Yamaha Zeno regarding sound core and projection. My King set up with the lead pipe will strip the chrome off a trailer hitch. It is probably not as even a blow as a Yamaha which were set up by Schilke years ago. So response will be better on a Yamaha.

In fact Schilke bought a bunch of Yamaha valves and put them on his B-5s years ago. Most people may not know that. They are one piece valves and not up to snuff at that time. Later they went back to two piece valves.

I consider my King a workhorse and my Schilke a Thoroughbred.

Does any of this make sense!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:54 am    Post subject: king 2001 Reply with quote

I have that same horn. 2001 on the side of the bell. same trigger.
I got this horn for Christmas 1983. my father, who was a band director at one time, liked King and wanted the biggest bore possible: seems I am full of hot air.
I've played this horn in marching bands, big bands, and brass quintets.
I have occasionally, maybe 2 or 3 times, had someone comment as to the brightness of my sound. I attributed this to the Schilke 13a4a mouthpiece. I'm now using a Marcinkiewicz bs1.75.
I've tried other horns, including an old Martin Committee and a 1984 Bach Strad, but I keep coming back to my King. Just feels right.
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