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jjtrumpet
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:27 am    Post subject: Smaller undergrad programs Reply with quote

Those of you who went to small or lower-tiered undergraduate music programs and then pursued additional performance opportunities or degrees, how's your playing life?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty good.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Playing full time and teaching adjunct. Life is good!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty awesome.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm enjoying it so far. Going to a large "name" school for undergrad is no guarantee of success. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/arts/music/the-juilliard-effect-ten-years-later.html
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

derekthor wrote:
I'm enjoying it so far. Going to a large "name" school for undergrad is no guarantee of success. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/arts/music/the-juilliard-effect-ten-years-later.html



11 out 36 tracked got orchestra jobs within ten years out of college. That actually a pretty good batting average. Music is a terrible get rich quick scheme....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great!

I'd add that back when I was 18, or even 20, if I had tried to rank all the trumpet players I knew within 3 years of my age, that ranking would have little correlation to how successful people are today (and who has or hasn't moved away from music as a profession). Pedigree is overrated and so is talent.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as I needed for the past 40-some years and getting ready to retire from the major part of playing. Best part? Never was a performance major but always had amazing groups full of amazing players to challenge me all along the way, from HS to today. I believe there is more to that than many might think. I feel for the kids who will never have the playing ops I had.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's never a big deal, if you work hard and have tenacity. Bud Herseth went to a small college and got a degree in mathematics, if I recall properly. He didn't succeed in that career.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't complain. The people I've played with and know certainly doesn't seem normal, since I went to what I affectionately call, "Farm College." Bigger isn't always better, and going to a high powered conservatory doesn't guarantee you work afterwards. Better shot yes, since I've rarely encountered any mediocre conservatory folks, but still not worth the $$$, in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:23 pm    Post subject: smaller colleges Reply with quote

I agree with one of the other replies. Bud Herseth went to Luther College in Decorah, Iowa I believe and sat principal in the CSO for 50? years. Go where you feel comfortable. Be driven to get better and the opportunities will present themselves. I went to a large state university in Ohio, not OSU, Cinncinati Conservatory or Oberlin, and it was perfect. I wasn't a perfect student at the time but the trumpet teacher and the other professors and opportunities were more than I could have dreamed. Even though there were like 18,000 at the university, the school of music was a close knit bunch of staff and students. That means alot too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an underlying implication here that small colleges (I'm not including small but elite) equate large, well-known programs. Just a word of caution. While it is true that for some players, it's just as helpful to go to a small school, much of that depends on the individual and what they need.

Some may need the eye-opener of having so many talented players around them. Also, smaller schools have less ensembles in which to play. If you're at the tops, you'll get the gig anyway. But if you're not, lesser ensembles larger schools offer may provide a lab from which you can go into the top labs later.

Also, not to be discounted is the importance of networking. Again, if you're at the top, word will probably get out. But if you're not, the larger school might give you instant networking that you'll need.

I hope this isn't misunderstood. Nothing against smaller schools, just that large schools may have greater opportunities that can turn into later success, if you need it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

excellent!

The big name may open some doors for you at first, but at the end of the day you have to play, be pleasant to be around, and show up when you're supposed to.

There are positives and negatives to "large" and "small" programs - which fits you better then make the best of wherever you go.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: smaller colleges Reply with quote

blbaumgarn wrote:
Bud Herseth went to Luther College in Decorah, Iowa I believe and sat principal in the CSO for 50? years.


He was probably Lutheran, that always helps.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't help but think about Miles Davis dropping out when I see Julliard
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: smaller colleges Reply with quote

OldKing wrote:
blbaumgarn wrote:
Bud Herseth went to Luther College in Decorah, Iowa I believe and sat principal in the CSO for 50? years.


He was probably Lutheran, that always helps.


Herseth went to NEC and got his job out of there.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Can't help but think about Miles Davis dropping out when I see Julliard

Small school but hardly a "small school".
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, "small" or "large" school makes less of a difference at the undergrad level. You really need an education, so Juilliard is really not a good idea for all but the most prodigious. If you choose to pursue a master's degree, then the school "name" will make more of a difference (although it still won't make as big of a difference as you think.)
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