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berntd
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 Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:29 pm Post subject: Mouthpieces for Yamaha YCR-231 cornet ? |
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I just discovered that the mouthpieces I have for various trumpets do not fit into the newly aquired old Yamaha project cornet I have. They won't go in. Too big.
I also have a Dennis Wick no2 which is supposedly for cornets. Same problem.
Do cornets have smaller shanks and how does one specify this when ordering?
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Richard III
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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So you are wondering why trumpet mouthpieces don't work in a cornet? Did I get that right? A Wick 4 cornet mouthpiece works for any cornet. FYI.
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berntd
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard III wrote: | | So you are wondering why trumpet mouthpieces don't work in a cornet? Did I get that right? A Wick 4 cornet mouthpiece works for any cornet. FYI. |
Yes. I have no idea since I know nothing about cornets yet.
So are they universally different in shank size to trumpets or just the old ones?
Going by your statement above, the Dennis Wick 2 mouthpiece I have here must thus fit this cornet.
Yet it does not. Please explain?
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Bernt
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| berntd wrote: | I have no idea since I know nothing about cornets yet.
So are they universally different in shank size to trumpets or just the old ones? |
Yes, cornet mouthpieces are a different shank than trumpet mouthpieces.
Modern cornet mouthpieces come in two different shanks:
- A long/Bach shank that is essentially a short version of a trumpet shank. If you have a cornet Bach 3C, 7C... anything that is a trumpet size in a cornet shank, it will likely be like this.
- A short shank like a Wick. These are traditional cornet mouthpieces - either by Wick or Yamaha or various others in cornet-specific sizes and cups.
Both long shank and short shank cornet mouthpieces should fit in a normal modern cornet. I just put my Wick 2 and Bach 1/2 C in my Yamaha 2310, Bach 184, and Getzen Capri cornets. They fit just fine.
I'm not going to delve into vintage things, but suffice it to say, that back in the day cornet shanks were not standardized. Also, trumpet shanks were less standardized.
| berntd wrote: | Going by your statement above, the Dennis Wick 4 mouthpiece I have here must thus fit this cornet.
Yet it does not. Please explain? |
Your Yamaha cornet is quite modern enough that any cornet mouthpiece should fit. The short shank ones fit fine, they just stick out much less than the long shank ones. They should both fit quite well.
So therefore:
- Your Wick is not a cornet mouthpiece (flugel?)
- Your Wick is altered or damaged or somehow not standard - I think some older ones were slightly different, but should still fit pretty well
- The receiver on your Yamaha is damaged or altered
- There is some kind of operator error
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berntd
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the interesting clarification.
The Dennis Wick is no 2 not 4. I have edited that. Sorry.
Are there any dimensions for all these sizes somewhere??
Hereis what I have:
The Dennis Wick is 9.98mm or 0.3925" diameter at the small end.
The trumpet mouthpiece Vincent Bach 1C is 9.75mm or 0.3835"
The Coulson Paris Bb mouthpiece is 9.60mm or 0.3794"
Vincent Bach 7C is 8.58mm or 0.3380"
So what is correct for a modern cornet?
The Wick is the largest but relatively short. It may well be for Fluegel then. It does not fit into anything I have here and I really thought it was for cornet. |
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berntd
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| zaferis wrote: |
On the next to last page you will find a diagram with all this info.. Read the entire pamphlet and you'll answer many of your questions. |
Nice. Thank you. The last page shows dimensions which are very interesting!
The Dennis Wick is still a mystery as it is bigger than the Fluegelhorn dimension they give.
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| berntd wrote: | | The Dennis Wick is still a mystery as it is bigger than the Fluegelhorn dimension they give. |
Note that there flugelhorn mouthpieces that have different shanks than Bach, which is the smaller of the common ones. The Wick may be a larger shank flugel piece.
If you have a modern Yamaha cornet I'd advise you to just by a Yamaha long shank piece with a simial size to your preferred trumpet piece. There are no doubt better cornet pieces but this is a very safe place to start.
https://mouthpieceexpress.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=197_198_321_340&osCsid=hard3idfurur81kiqm1st3ojp0#
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