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Cornetist SPSMB Regular Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:11 am Post subject: How To:Maggio Method |
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Hello TH community,
I have recently got my hands on the Maggio Method,but have no idea how to use it?Do i finish off one chapter in a week?
Please advise me!
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TrumpetDan79 Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jan 2015 Posts: 157
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Maggio is one interpretation of the same underlying concept. It's letting the embouchure come "forward" while playing any passage. You'll see this in the teachings of Stamp, Reinhardt, Thibaud, et. al. Manny Laureano describes it as a feeling of "toooooo" coming forward. Gabriele Cassone talks about allowing your corners to gently come forward as you play. This focus's the vibrating surface. Pops, to my understanding, refers to this as 'aperture tunnel.' He could describe the mechanics far better than I, but my comment mainly deals with the matter of HOW vs. what, regarding the Maggio book.
The heart of Stamp is bending. This brings things forward and more concentrated to the center.
The Maggio book is but one way to achieve forming the "little pillow" each day.
That way, the note intervals feel closer, the sound is richer, and your endurance will be helped usually.
There is a TON of posts and research on this, so my suggestion is to study the concept first vs. digging into a regimen of any kind. You probably will save a lot of time as this doesn't require a method.
Sorry I didn't answer your question directly, but this is where my mind went, haha. One justification for this type of response within the spirt of the "Pedagogy" forum, is to illustrate it is much more important in HOW we practice vs. WHAT we practice. That is my opinion.
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hendan10 New Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks man! |
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I've been at Maggio, or some form of it, like Stamp, for 8 years, and I would agree with Dan, the How is more than the What. What isn't clear in the method that Carlton put out there is ALL of the Hows. I believe a lot of that is up to the user. Arturo taught me that I should play it with bravado, "Like the Queen is coming." I thought, "what queen?"
Malcolm McNab has shown me that use of pedal tones in his Stamp warmup, at least with me, should be fairly minimal, that pedal C may not be as important as those notes between low F# and pedal C, and frankly, that use of those notes brings my chops more forward than trying to get that damn C right!
The revelation was that playing low can get you high. It opened up my world.
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lerham Regular Member
Joined: 29 Aug 2008 Posts: 50 Location: New Haven, CT
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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"The revelation was that playing low can get you high." I love that, Ed! I will be stealing that one for sure.
I would add that Maggio, Stamp, and my personal favorite Thibaud Advanced Method are very advanced concepts. Many not explained well, so their benefits can be lost and actually set you back if not approached correctly. Thibaud's Advanced Techniques book does the best job of explaining concepts well that is lacking in the Maggio specifically. Too much pedal playing, if not done correctly can be detrimental, in my opinion. But, if mastered they can be extensively used on a daily basis, if that makes sense.
I would recommend, doing the Maggio very slowly and repeat the sections for several weeks, even if you feel you are doing them correctly, focusing on beauty of sound at a full volume mf-f. Watch your set up in the mirror to make sure you are not shifting your embouchure between registers.
Good luck! Ask questions along the way.
Cheers!
Dan _________________ Dan Duncan
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 2450 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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EdMann wrote: | pedal C may not be as important as those notes between low F# and pedal C, and frankly, that use of those notes brings my chops more forward than trying to get that damn C right!
The revelation was that playing low can get you high. It opened up my world.
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This is why I love pedal tones!!! I use my own modified version of Stamp in my daily warmup and for me it's the key to setting up my chops to play all over the horn with the same setup. Pedals from F-C# get me in a position where I can play low F# and E over high C without moving my chops. Great stuff. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Turkle wrote: | EdMann wrote: | pedal C may not be as important as those notes between low F# and pedal C, and frankly, that use of those notes brings my chops more forward than trying to get that damn C right!
The revelation was that playing low can get you high. It opened up my world.
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This is why I love pedal tones!!! I use my own modified version of Stamp in my daily warmup and for me it's the key to setting up my chops to play all over the horn with the same setup. Pedals from F-C# get me in a position where I can play low F# and E over high C without moving my chops. Great stuff. |
How about deepening the love? By gently approaching the double pedals, BE way!!! Does wonders for me! _________________ Cornets:
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Martinharris Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:59 am Post subject: |
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Many great players use a Maggio "pucker" in their embouchure such as Wayne Bergeron. In a recent clinic on YouTube, Wayne talked about how he uses the pucker.
I have the Maggio book and don't ever use it. Complete waste of time in my opinion. |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Seymor B Fudd wrote: | Turkle wrote: | EdMann wrote: | pedal C may not be as important as those notes between low F# and pedal C, and frankly, that use of those notes brings my chops more forward than trying to get that damn C right!
The revelation was that playing low can get you high. It opened up my world.
ed |
This is why I love pedal tones!!! I use my own modified version of Stamp in my daily warmup and for me it's the key to setting up my chops to play all over the horn with the same setup. Pedals from F-C# get me in a position where I can play low F# and E over high C without moving my chops. Great stuff. |
How about deepening the love? By gently approaching the double pedals, BE way!!! Does wonders for me! |
I used to do lower pedals (pedal C and below) but I felt that they weren't doing great things to my chops. It's probably how I was approaching them... But I removed them from my routine a few years ago. I'm sure they work for others though! _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:27 am Post subject: Re: How To:Maggio Method |
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Cornetist SPSMB wrote: | Hello TH community,
I have recently got my hands on the Maggio Method,but have no idea how to use it?Do i finish off one chapter in a week?
Please advise me!
Thank you! |
While the Maggio book is a great book for reference and at its time was arguably one of the best methods to use, you'd be better served by reading through the book for reference, putting it away, then buying Claude Gordon's Systematic Approach to Daily Practice for Trumpet and the books it assigns material out of (Clarke's Technical Studies for the Cornet, Lip Flexibilities by Walter Smith, Saint-Jacome's Grand Method for Trumpet or Cornet, Charles Colin's Lip Flexibilities for Trumpet, Arbans' Celebrated Method, and Clarke's Characteristic Studies for the Cornet).
Claude studied with Herbert Clarke for nine years and Louis Maggio for several years after Clarke's death. He took Maggio's basic exercises and ideas and expanded them into 52 versions and incorporated them into a full, well-balanced systematic daily practice routine with 52 lesson assignments to be done one per week (though it is better to stay on each lesson for two weeks as otherwise the material can build up too quickly).
In particular, Claude added a component to the Maggio Pedal Note exercises that builds tremendous levels of air power (the ability to generate air pressure) which is a requirement for achieving great endurance and developing the ability to play in the extreme upper register.
I think your best approach would be to take in-person or Skype lessons with a professional player who studied for years with Claude and could and would create a customized Daily Routine for you to do based on where your playing is now, and what particular areas of playing ability you personally want to develop.
Best wishes,
John Mohan
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tptguy Jerome Callet Forum Moderator
Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 3380 Location: Philadelphia, Pa
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Maggio worked on the fundamental use of the lips. I don't believe he got it right, but to his credit he recognized that correct use of the lips was too essential to leave to happenstance.
Most of us recognize that, regardless of diligence, the overwhelming majority of trumpet players crash and burn. Over the past few decades we've adapted a term for trumpeters that crash and burn somewhat later than average. We call them professionals, lol.
Unless you are part of a tiny group of genetically gifted in jaw, lips, and ear then the best you can hope for is: a) enlightened guidance - unfortunately nearly as rare as genetically gifted, or b) a medium level ability achieved primarily by forceful blowing. Most people, other than trumpet jocks, hear the B category as blasting, overforced pitches, not musical. But, these players do get some props from the tptJox and even some ' teaching' pesos. Buyer beware. |
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Martinharris wrote: | Many great players use a Maggio "pucker" in their embouchure such as Wayne Bergeron. In a recent clinic on YouTube, Wayne talked about how he uses the pucker.
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Here is the clinic. At around 7:00 into the video he talks about the Maggio setting (puckered embouchure).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wco0nNh1aM
Pity the recording sound is too distant to Wayne - a bit difficult to hear what he says.
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solo soprano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Martinharris wrote: | Many great players use a Maggio "pucker" in their embouchure such as Wayne Bergeron. In a recent clinic on YouTube, Wayne talked about how he uses the pucker. |
The Ultra-Pucker: With the puckered embouchure the corners are drawn towards each other, like you squeeze a plastic coin "purse," creating a small pinhole aperture in the center. To increase endurance, allow air pockets to form between the lips and teeth. The mouthpiece, then, is not pushing the lips directly against the teeth, this is what can give you even greater endurance.
As taught by Bill Knevitt _________________ Bill Knevitt, who taught me the seven basic physical elements and the ten principles of physical trumpet playing and how to develop them.
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dkwolfe Veteran Member
Joined: 01 May 2015 Posts: 116 Location: North of the sweet tea line
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Good Afternoon;
I'd like to second (again) the following comment:
EdMann wrote: | that pedal C may not be as important as those notes between low F# and pedal C, and frankly, that use of those notes brings my chops more forward than trying to get that damn C right!
The revelation was that playing low can get you high. It opened up my world. |
I found a copy of the Maggio book after reading the OP's post last week, and have been playing with the ideas therein since.
As anecdotal evidence, I went from just barely playing the Chicowitz flow studies that go up to a written D off the staff last week, to just squeaking out an F# today, and played the flow study up to an F.
I incorporated the Maggio warmup into my usual routine, and then put the pedal exercises in between the other stuff that I practice (clark, arban, getchel, etc.). It's helping me.
Your millage may vary,
D _________________ Nullius in Verba. |
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Ximo_molina Regular Member
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 9:07 am Post subject: |
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