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RandyTX
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's one (and probably only one) way to know for sure.

Do real blind ABX testing and see if the difference is real or placebo. Anything short of that is just marketing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
There's one (and probably only one) way to know for sure.

Do real blind ABX testing and see if the difference is real or placebo. Anything short of that is just marketing.


Agreed. Also, to measure and acoustically model the instrument with and without. Something I am working on. Remove the human (error) element.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally broke down and bought the brass version. It adds 14 grams with two small contact points. The binder clip adds only 9 grams but has more contact points.

Like others have said I immediately noticed a difference in tone and response. In fact, since my grandkids were sleeping, the first time I tried it was with a practice mute and I could hear a difference in tone.

The spectrum analyzer on my phone shows higher peaks across more frequencies with the sound bridge than without but that could just be psychological.

I'm in no position to argue bad science versus good science, but I'm reasonably certain that dismissing something because you think it won't work is no science at all.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought the brass model and gave it a go. My subjective feeling was that the sound became more concentated or compact and the horn felt stiff and less agile. I should try it again and get a second impression to confirm that it wasn't for me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxleyk wrote:
I finally broke down and bought the brass version. ... Like others have said I immediately noticed a difference in tone and response.

Did you consider the difference that you noticed to be a good difference? Thanks for the review!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes - as P.T.Barnum said, there is one born every minute.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mfan wrote:
Now after a few more days of rehearsals and performances I can honestly say I will never leave the house without my Lefreque.


This device has now fully accomplished it's purpose; people have talked about getting freaky on the TH. And for only $65!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, let's play. Did you watch the YouTube video of Steve Dillard playing with it on and off on the horn? It's on the horn trader web site. I will happily do a blind test. Tell me how you want it to be done and I will make a video. Cover my eyes... Whatever. Let's play.
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ProAm wrote:
oxleyk wrote:
I finally broke down and bought the brass version. ... Like others have said I immediately noticed a difference in tone and response.

Did you consider the difference that you noticed to be a good difference? Thanks for the review!


Yes, a positive difference. The tone is fuller to my ears and playing seems to take slightly less effort. Notes slot more securely.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep threatening to post some videos, but I honestly just haven't had the time.

This thing WORKS. Now, if I could just stop knocking the damn thing off on the bandstand.

Edit: With all of that said, I don't particularly like it when playing lead. The slots are too locked in for my taste.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you watch the horntrader video, just listen to the high C with and without it.
That should be enough evidence for anyone!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Sailors wrote:
If you watch the horntrader video, just listen to the high C with and without it.
That should be enough evidence for anyone!


Wow. You can really hear the difference during those fast lip slurs. Crazy.

I'm very interested in ordering one. My primary instrument is the lightweight Yamaha 8310zs. Has anyone tried this thing on a lightweight horn yet?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, the videos are not blind comparisons. And not even remotely anything like double-blind.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Sailors wrote:
I keep threatening to post some videos, but I honestly just haven't had the time.

This thing WORKS. Now, if I could just stop knocking the damn thing off on the bandstand.

Edit: With all of that said, I don't particularly like it when playing lead. The slots are too locked in for my taste.


Mike, do you use the yellow- or the red brass??
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had my Lefreque (red brass, silver plated) for 3 weeks now. I still notice an improvement when I use it. I've tried to get in the habit of putting it on the instrument, then just play and forget about it. I'm pretty much there, although I'm reminded every now and then when I play a note that feels especially good. "Oh yeah, I wonder if the gadget helped with that..."

I was worried that I might become dependent on the thing so that, if I ever lost it, I wouldn't be able to play as well. I tried playing without it earlier today, after using it for several weeks, and that wasn't a problem. Still, I'd rather have the thing on the instrument.

I understand the skepticism. That's what I thought too, before I tried it. All I can say is, I think it really works.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karel wrote:
Mike Sailors wrote:
I keep threatening to post some videos, but I honestly just haven't had the time.

This thing WORKS. Now, if I could just stop knocking the damn thing off on the bandstand.

Edit: With all of that said, I don't particularly like it when playing lead. The slots are too locked in for my taste.


Mike, do you use the yellow- or the red brass??


I use the silver one. I'm about to post a video of me playing it, for anyone who's interested.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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I can't do too much loud stuff in my apartment, but perhaps this will give you an idea.

For me, the change in intonation is the biggest improvement.

Edit:
First example - without
Second Example - with
Third example - without
Fourth Example - with
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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I swear I didn't try to clam on the second pass!

To me, the sound is definitely different between each playing. The feel of the horn is drastically different as well, specifically in terms of slotting.

First Example - with
Second example - without
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 43* Strad and I prefer the response without the sound bridge. I have tried to like heavy valve trim kits but they are not for me. The effect in the video is what I experienced on a two octave C major scale though. Perhaps nott my cup of tea.
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Uberopa wrote:
I have a 43* Strad and I prefer the response without the sound bridge. I have tried to like heavy valve trim kits but they are not for me. The effect in the video is what I experienced on a two octave C major scale though. Perhaps nott my cup of tea.


I'm playing a 70's era 37 in that video.

I know what you're talking about, Uberopa. I like it to be slippery up there when I'm playing over the top of a band so I don't use it in those playing situations. For everything else, I prefer it.

I've let some others guy try it, and the feelings have been mixed in terms of liking the effects that the LeFreque offers. However, they all say it changes something in the sound and in the response. That part can't be denied, in my opinion.
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