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Flip Oakes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 532 Location: Oceanside, CA USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:37 am Post subject: How do you listen to music |
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I wasn't sure how to title this.
What devices do you listen on and what speakers or headphones do you use?
How important is this for you?
Personally I use all Bose speakers or headphones. On my TV I use the Bose surround sound with the 5 speaker system with the woofer.
My computer, I use the Bose stereo with the woofer, on my iPhone I use the Bose noise cancelling head set.
The reason I'm asking is when listening to sound clips, only using either the computers, iPhone, or tv speakers so much is lost and the nuances of the sound are lost and not exposed, and when comparing horns, Mpcs, or other components that would change the sound, how much would be missed.
Now I know there are also better quality sound systems then I have that would even further the quality of sound, and I wished I had them as the sound is the whole deal for me. Music is sound, so sound is of the most importance to me.
I personally have some YouTubes up, most taken by fans, and some sound pretty good depending on what you're listening to them on. So I'm just curious as to what most of the TH members use to listen on
Best,
Flip Oakes _________________ Flip Oakes “Wild Thing Trumpets”
2559 Mottino Dr.
Oceanside, Ca. 92056-3421
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12662 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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I use Bose Noise Cancelling headphones hooked to my PC most of the time. On trips they are hooked to my iPad or iPhone.
At home I use 7.1 surround sound with a Panasonic AV and B&W speakers.
That said, at my age hearing has taken a lot of the highs out of my hearing so I am missing that very top end. |
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KJaeger Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 152 Location: Monrovia, MD (DC area)
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Flip:
I tend to do a lot of listening nowadays either in the car (iPhone playing through the car speakers, which in my convertible means I can't hear as much ), or on my Macbook (iTunes or Youtube) using a pair of V-Moda Crossfade LP2 headphones. Occasionally I will play CD's through my home theater surround sound set-up, but that is more and more rare.
I like the V-Moda's a lot - they were a gift as otherwise I would not have spent that kind of money on headphones. _________________ - Kevin
Schilke B7
1935 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore
Bach 37 (rebuilt by Charlie Melk) w/ MTV-525 leadpipe
Kanstul 1510-A C trumpet
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 May 2013 Posts: 2123 Location: Atlanta GA
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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At work, I listen to music with Skullcandy Hesh 2 wireless over-the-ear headphones. My car has a stereo package with Infinity speakers. At home, I usually listen to music with a stereo pair of Sonos PLAY:1 wireless speakers, unless there's a lot of racket in the house, in which case it's back to the headphones. I really like the Sonos speakers. The Hesh 2s sound good but I get tired of those things sitting on my headguess my ears are too big. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
Cornet Getzen Custom 3850S
Flugelhorn Courtois 155R
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 8951 Location: Monument, CO
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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My main music system is decent, high-end for me but cheap compared to the really ritzy systems that cost as much or more than my house. Oppo BD player (currently down, using a cheap Sony in the meantime), Emotiva prepro, Emotiva amplifiers, and a set of Magnepan speakers (MG-IIIa's, the current model is the 3.7). Rythmik subs.
Since I was in the business (as a tech, installer, and sometimes salesman) back when I got some of my original high-end gear, sticker shock was severe when I had to upgrade and replace stuff for our new media room a few years ago.
Several other systems are around the house using Denon, Sony, and Yamaha AVRs with KEK, Mirage, and Infinity speakers. All older stuff now (10+ years). I recently added some SONOS speakers for some of the rooms (including my office) and a couple of CONNECT's after ripping my CD collection to FLAC files.
I have never cared for Bose speakers though their headphones sound decent to me. I have Sennheiser, Sony, and Grado headphones around. For a good music system the first question is always "How much?" and then "Where do you plan to put it (how much space for components and speakers)?" _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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LaTrompeta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 May 2015 Posts: 867 Location: West Side, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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I am sort of an amateur audiophile. I use a DAC with Sennheiser Momentum headphones. At home, I use a Marantz SR-8001 as a pre-amp and a vintage 70s Marantz 2238B amplifier with Boston Acoustics speakers. For the night time I switch to my Sennheiser HD 600s.
I think that audio equipment really makes the difference. |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 7196 Location: Greenfield WI
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, Flip, Bose is garbage and has been for decades. "Doctor" Bose has had some pretty bizzare notions about how to design a speaker and it's been well-known in the audiophile community for decades that their components are garbage.
For headphones, Sennheiser is pretty much the standard everyone else wants to beat. I'm loyal to Milwaukee but Koss just isn't it.
I've been using Parasound components for a long time now. The value is out of this world. They have an integrated amp that I wished I'd seen before buying separates. The D/A converter alone is well worth the price.
Wish I could advise you on speakers. Mine are a boutique brand you can't find any more designed to beat the Quad ESL-63... which is a darn good speaker on its own. The latest version of the Quad would do you well.
But please for the love of dog, get rid of that Bose crap.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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Flip Oakes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 532 Location: Oceanside, CA USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I have Sennheiser headphones , I have had them for years and always use them in a studio when recording. While the Bose may not be at the top, mine are very good. For playback on my computer or iPhone they sound richer and much fuller then the Sennheiser headset for listening to music.
Again I'm just curious as what some of the TH members use to listen to music on. As this post was intended an inquire, and not a debate.
Thanks so much,
Flip _________________ Flip Oakes “Wild Thing Trumpets”
2559 Mottino Dr.
Oceanside, Ca. 92056-3421
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Delivering the distinctive Wild Thing Sound since 1994 |
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LaTrompeta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 May 2015 Posts: 867 Location: West Side, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think Vet was a little extreme there...Bose isn't "crap." It's just more mainstream than Sennheiser and not as crystal-clear of a sound.
Crap is Beats, Monster, Dre, Skullkandy or whatever is out there now. If you can find it at Wal-Mart you know it's bad.
Also, every component has to be quality in a good audio system. You can't pair $1000 headphones with an iPhone. Same, a $2000 DAC won't do much good with a generic pair of earbuds. I personally have made several audio components, including my own speaker cables & wires and a modified PlayStation 1 CD player. I have also fixed up vintage stereo equipment.
Usually the upgrades happen step-by-step. Wilson audio, known in the industry as the benchmark for speakers worldwide, is only 30 minutes from my house. I think I may pay them a visit soon...
I've heard that Mr.Clean is an audio enthusiast. I'd be interested to know what he listens to music on. |
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mm55 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Jul 2013 Posts: 1412
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Three things mentioned that are usually incompatible with high-quality sound: mp3, active noise cancelling, and youtube. They all have their good points, but good sound is not among them. _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
'79 King Silver Flair
'07 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
'42 Selmer US
'90 Yamaha YTR6450S(C)
'12 Eastman ETR-540S (D/Eb)
'10 Carol CPT-300LR pkt
'89 Yamaha YCR2330S crnt
'13 CarolBrass CFL-6200-GSS-BG flg
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mm55 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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LaTrompeta wrote: | Wilson audio, known in the industry as the benchmark for speakers worldwide |
Well, I think that now you're being a bit extreme. I think Wilson makes fine products, but the claim that they are "the benchmark for speakers worldwide" sounds more like marketing hype than anything else. Of course, it depends what industry you mean; whether it's the audio industry or the money industry.
Wilson Audio products are perhaps best known for being some of the most expensive equipment available, and they use unusual (and expensive) materials and finishes that have little demonstrable audio purpose. That doesn't make them a benchmark (and certainly not the benchmark) for speakers. Claims of audio quality can be revealed to be the emperor's new clothes when subjected to the unforgiving spotlight of a properly applied double-blind "ABX" comparison. David Wilson himself demonstrated the effect at CES about ten years ago, although many of his most loyal customers can come up with all kinds of hand-waving to explain away the results of such a comparison. I was a test subject in an ABX comparison in which two fans and owners of Wilson Audio speakers could not reliably tell them from Genelec studio monitors costing a small fraction of the price. Neither could I.
I'm not criticizing the way Wilson Audio speakers sound, which is top quality, but the hype that they are the singular industry benchmark world-wide is "a bit extreme".
As to what I listen to at home, currently, an Orb system. It suits my budget and my tiny living space. I tend to avoid mp3 files for musical listening, but I also don't bother with such things as 48-bit dynamic range or 48 kHz bandwidth. When I'm listening to the ball game while puttering in the garage, a cheap portable radio is fine with me. I use noise-cancelling earbuds when I'm an airline passenger. Horses for courses.
At work, where things can be more demanding (and not restricted by my residence or personal budget), I usually use Genelec or some proprietary speakers designed and built in-house (not for the public market). But I'm usually not listening for musical quality at work. Research regarding speech intelligibility, especially in noisy environments, is what I'm focused on these days. I may be retired before the work is finished, adn I'll have a lot more time for the trumpet. _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
'79 King Silver Flair
'07 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
'42 Selmer US
'90 Yamaha YTR6450S(C)
'12 Eastman ETR-540S (D/Eb)
'10 Carol CPT-300LR pkt
'89 Yamaha YCR2330S crnt
'13 CarolBrass CFL-6200-GSS-BG flg
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:43 am Post subject: |
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+1 for Sennheiser headphones. Most of my listening lately has been to explore jazz, which I only recently began listening to. I just plug the Sennheiser's into my MacBook and listen to stuff on Napster (aka Rhapsody). When I find things that I really like, I buy the CDs and play them in car (the best sound system that Ford offered).
I also have an old Carver stereo system and listen through the Sennheiser headphones. I also have some small Bose speakers hooked up, but I don't use them much. The headphones give me the best sound.
By the way, I also listened to every Flip Oakes performance I could find on YouTube. The quality of the YouTube recordings is not audiophile, but I enjoyed listening all the same. Nice chops, my friend.
Grits _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:45 am Post subject: |
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If you're looking for Flip's recordings, also check his website and look for Titan Hot Seven CDs (http://titanhotseven.com/). There are some great recordings spanning a variety of jazz styles. "My Walking Stick" is pretty cool. _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:55 am Post subject: |
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I thought Wilson was in Provo, Utah?
Roger Sanders is pretty close to Loveland...
There are a lot of contenders for "best" (or at least most expensive) speaker. Wilson is in there, but also Magico, Focal, Goldmund, Acapella, Avalon, FM Acoustics, YG, etc.
I haven't heard the newer Wilson speakers produced since Daryl took over. _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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VetPsychWars wrote: | Sorry, Flip, Bose is garbage and has been for decades. "Doctor" Bose has had some pretty bizzare notions about how to design a speaker and it's been well-known in the audiophile community for decades that their components are garbage. |
Lol - I saw a saying somewhere - something like No highs, no lows, sound just blows, must be Bose!
Dunno, audiophiles can be a pretty persnickity, opinionated bunch. There's not a speaker setup on the planet that sounds just like live, unamplified instruments. I have very sensitive hearing and heard someone's Acoustic Wave - I thought it sounded decent and delivered on the claim that it sounded like a much bigger unit. They got a lot of enjoyment out of it. I don't think they would have enjoyed some hifalutin' high-end stereo system any more than that Acoustic Wave. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
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Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
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Joe Manzanares Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Regular old iPhone headphones on my iPhone 6+ _________________ JM
South Texas Alumni Brass Band
Selmer Paris Chorus 92B Bb
Selmer Paris Sigma Bb
Yamaha YCR-732 Bb Cornet
Courtois Bb Flugelhorn
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2665 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sennheiser headphones. Have a really old pair form the late 1980's that still sound awesome and a new cordless pair. Both sound fine.
BUT, I have had to study old recordings in the past, and got used to listening 'past' the recording to try and hear what is happening. Once I got into that, my car sounds fine. While the H/P are great and a joy to listen to, the duff setup in my office is not an issue.
Life is too short to get all bent out of shape ove a speaker!
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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tmccarthy53 New Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:23 am Post subject: |
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While Bose and other high-end speakers are great, if you are listening to music from iTunes or any other mp3, the compression has a noticeable effect on sound quality. Using CD's or downloading .wav files rather than mp3's will make a big difference with high quality speakers. |
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nlebaron Regular Member
Joined: 03 Jun 2014 Posts: 74 Location: St George, UT
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:37 am Post subject: |
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As has been mentioned... a good amp will make the most difference as long as the speakers are at least decent. My brother and I have made some pretty awesome sounding surround sound systems using a quality marantz amp paired with relatively cheap speakers from mcmelectronics.com. Put a $300 sony amp in the place of that marantz and all the magic goes away. _________________ 1996 Bach Strad 37 Bell |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:43 am Post subject: |
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A typical high-end speaker will be a Quad electrostatic. The Parasound Halo series is some pretty impressive electronics. Nowadays a turntable is to your discretion. A CD player is just a transport with the outboard electronics doing the business.
There is some truly high-end equipment out there. In general, you either built it yourself or spent a half-year's salary putting it together.
Mid-fi systems with names like Bose and Sony ain't gonna cut it.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1 |
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