Smaller 3C

[TKSop]

What's the consensus on a Kanstul "B3C" relative to a current production Bach 3C? Or any other modern Bach 3C?

Is it representative?


If the scanned 3C on the comparator (ie: "B3C") is more like a Mt Vernon 3c than a current model (which anecdotally appears to be the case), then are any conclusions drawn from comparing to that scan going to be useful?

[Louise Finch]

[McVouty]

In my experience (owned dozens of mouthpieces in my time), just relying on overlay scans to figure out how a mouthpiece will play for you is a pretty futile endeavour. They can give you some general ideas, but until you've played them I wouldn't include or dismiss any sensible looking options. - too many other variables that interact, including throat, backbore, horn and player. Just sayin'

Cheers

Carl

[Brent]

I would second the Stork 3 rim. For whatever reason, I find the Stork 3 size to be much easier to play than a Bach 3, regardless of the cup size.
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[John Mohan]

[RandyTX]

I like the Curry in the Bach blank instead of the "stock" one for most things.
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[RussellDDixon]

John Mohan ... Mark Curry sent me a Curry 3C. some time ago stating that it was a tad smaller than a Bach 3C
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[Mark Bradley]

The Schilke "Symphony" line has a new M3C that they describe as a little smaller rim than their standard 3C. I have one in my grubby little hands as we speak... nice mouthpiece. Seems to play for me much better than any other 3C-ish sizes I've tried and failed with in the past.

From Schilke site:

M3C 27 NEW – slightly smaller ‘3’ Rim diameter, standard bowl shape “C” cup with tighter 27 throat and Schilke C backbore.
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[cheiden]

[John Mohan]

[RandyTX]

Who knows, pick up 10 random Bach mouthpieces of the same supposed model at a swap meet, get 325 differences between them.
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[Louise Finch]

[cheiden]

[Louise Finch]

Hi

Sorry, maybe it is me being daft but I really think that the slightly smaller means slightly smaller than the M1C.

NEW – Slightly smaller ‘150’ Rim diameter, standard bowl shape “C” cup with tighter 27 throat and Schilke C backbore.

NEW – Slightly smaller ‘2’ Rim diameter, standard bowl shape “C” cup with tighter 27 throat and Schilke C backbore.

NEW – Slightly smaller ‘3’ Rim diameter, standard bowl shape “C” cup with tighter 27 throat and Schilke C backbore.

NEW – Slightly smaller ‘5’ Rim diameter, standard bowl shape “C” cup with tighter 27 throat and Schilke C backbore.

I'm not debating that the M3C is not a smaller 3C (afterall I haven't tried it), merely that I don't think that Schilke are referring to this when they say slightly smaller. There is no reference to other manufacturers in the description above, only in the open up menu, which describes the 3 diameter as equivalent to a Schilke 15/14 or 3C.

The 4 diameter is described as being equivalent to a Schilke 14/13 and between a 3C and 5C.

I really think that Schilke are describing the M1 (and other cup depths in the 1 diameter), then describing the other diameters as smaller versions of the M1 (and other cups in the 1 diameter).

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is how I read it.

All the best

Lou
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Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
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Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs

[Locutus2k]

Sometimes things are really much easier but we work hard to complicate.
As i've said in the first page of this thread if you want a (slightly) smaller 3C with MtVernon style rim give the Horn Trader 3 mouthpiece(s) a try. It seems to me that are exactly what you' re looking for. Yes, they are made by Mark Curry and no, they are absolutely not the same of his own 3C.
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Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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[GordonH]

[Locutus2k]

[Dale Proctor]

I played an older (from the '70s) Bach 3C for about 20 years, but was never completely satisfied with my tone on it - a little too bright/edgy. Three or four years ago I decided to buy a Curry 3C. since I really liked his 3BBC. cornet mouthpiece. It's the best all-around trumpet mouthpiece I've ever owned. I didn't notice much of a change in the feel of the Curry from the Bach, but man, what a nicer sound, easier low register, and more endurance to boot.

Of course, this particular mouthpiece suits me just fine, but your mileage may vary. It's funny what such small dimensional changes in a mouthpiece can do, isn't it?
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[John Mohan]

[RandyTX]