• FAQ  • Search  • Memberlist  • Usergroups   • Register   • Profile  • Log in to check your private messages  • Log in 

Harmon Mute Recommendation


Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> Other Toys
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
RandyTX
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 25 Mar 2010
Posts: 5299
Location: Central Texas

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The zinger is a fabulous harmon. I'll be surprised if you don't like it when it arrives.
_________________
"Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
VetPsychWars
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 7196
Location: Greenfield WI

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the Zinger that much better than the original Harmon? I don't use one that often.

Also! I put my H&B into my newly-restored 400 cornet and it balances pretty well. I could play it with the cornet and not spend any more money.

$31 for a Harmon B or $85 for a Zinger....

Still unsure.

Tom
_________________
1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
RandyTX
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 25 Mar 2010
Posts: 5299
Location: Central Texas

PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VetPsychWars wrote:
Is the Zinger that much better than the original Harmon? I don't use one that often.


It's plays quite well in tune, which is a nice change, but it's not heavy like a Joral, and perhaps best of all, you don't need to mic it to be heard playing it in a big band setting. It's possible to get quite loud on it (stem removed, of course) without working too hard. Well worth the expense, imo. You also don't need to do open heart surgery on it (as Bobby Shew recommends for a typical bubble style harmon) to get it to sound good either.
_________________
"Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lawler Bb
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 27 Jan 2002
Posts: 1139
Location: Milwaukee, WI

PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VetPsychWars wrote:
Is the Zinger that much better than the original Harmon? I don't use one that often.

Also! I put my H&B into my newly-restored 400 cornet and it balances pretty well. I could play it with the cornet and not spend any more money.

$31 for a Harmon B or $85 for a Zinger....

Still unsure.

Tom


The Harmon B is worth about $3, IMO. They are total garbage. Charles Davis aluminum is cheaper than the Zinger......
_________________
Eric Sperry
www.ericsperry.com
www.facebook.com/EricSperryTrumpet/
www.instagram.com/milwaukeetrumpet/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Trumpetmannj
Regular Member


Joined: 17 Oct 2014
Posts: 80

PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an old copper Harmon, a copper joral,and a trumcor zinger. The zinger plays the best in tune of the lot by far, is lightweight and puts out the most sound. I usually don't quibble about mute prices because it's what I do for a living and want the best result. The copper joral is one of the old ones and weighs a ton. I like it fine. The copper Harmon is my favorite sounding mute but you really have to pull your slide out and it's stuffy. So as far as performance i would rate them zinger, joral, copper Harmon. In terms of sound I would probably rate them Harmon, joral,trumcor
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jhatpro
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 17 Mar 2002
Posts: 10202
Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare

PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charley Davis copper for me. Heavy but best buzz and intonation and I've tried various generations of Harmon and Jo-Ral.
_________________
Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Louise Finch
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 10 Aug 2012
Posts: 5461
Location: Suffolk, England

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TKSop wrote:
Not a fan of the Wicks at all (comfortably least favourite of any harmon-type mute I've ever used or heard).

Hi

I have a Denis Wick ET mute as well as a JoRal Aluminum bubble. I largely agree with TKSop regarding the Denis Wick, although for some reason I prefer it on cornet rather than trumpet. I've never been happy with the Denis Wick on trumpet for big band/Jazz. It is relatively small and light but doesn't have a particularly nice or characteristic harmon mute sound on trumpet in my opinion. I've relegated it to my brass band cornet accessory bag, and it seems to for some reason to work pretty well on cornet in a brass band setting, and give an appropriate enough sound. I haven't really given it much thought, but the Denis Wick probably sounds a bit tinny, which isn't as apparent on cornet.

Anyway to get to the point, the Denis Wick probably won't be the OP's preferred choice of sound, but is pretty small and light, and has straight sides.

Take Care

Lou


I recall weighing all the ones I had a while ago for a thread, done a quick google to find it for you (though obviously the copper Harmon brand and the bubble aren't relevant):

(WoS= without stem, WS = with stem)
- H&B wawah du all - 165.8g WS - 130.5g WoS
- H&B wawah du all (with all paint removed) - 146.2g WS - 114.8g WoS
- JoRal copper bubble - 193.1g WS - 157.7g WoS
- Harmon brand copper - 164.2g WS - 134.8g WoS
- Denis Wick - 86.6g WS - 68.5g WoS



What's interesting is just how much weight in the H&B is down to paint - though I think the biggest problem is that it's very bottom-heavy, so it *feels* heavier than it is either way.

_________________
Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
VetPsychWars
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 7196
Location: Greenfield WI

PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stumbled across the Protec mute, thought I would try it. If it's not good, I'll let you know and buy something else.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0052VE89G/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Tom
_________________
1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
giakara
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 13 Jul 2003
Posts: 3826
Location: Greece

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emo for me .

Regards
_________________
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
Reeves/Purviance mpcs
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
VetPsychWars
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 7196
Location: Greenfield WI

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Protec Liberty harmon arrives and I am quite impressed. It has a good buzz to it and low volume and down to about low Bb or so. Below that, no good, fine with me. It is much lighter than the Humes and Berg (hard to be heavier!) and it has a decent price.

So for as litttle as I play a harmon, I'm happy with it. No regrets at all.

Thank you all for your recommendations, even if I didn't follow any!

Tom
_________________
1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
jahabasr
New Member


Joined: 04 Nov 2011
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:19 pm    Post subject: Best Harmon Mute Reply with quote

I use Trumcor Zinger
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ed Kennedy
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Posts: 3187

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
Emo for me .

Regards


+1
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
trumpet.sanity
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 24 Oct 2016
Posts: 763

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my Zinger last week. I love it!!

Projects great, doesn't mean lose power in the lower register, great high register and tons of buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
trickg
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 02 Jan 2002
Posts: 5675
Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

giakara wrote:
Emo for me .

Regards

Of the wah-wah mutes I've owned and used, one of my favorites was an Emo that I picked up from WWBW on a scratch-n-dent deal for cheap. I got that because I had just started playing with a big band, and I needed to get a bunch of different mutes in a hurry, and it was the cheapest way to go. I got that and a brand new Tom Crown straight, both scratch-n-dent, for way cheap. The kicker was I had no clue why they were sold as scratch-n-dent - they looked fine to me.
_________________
Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler

"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jadickson
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 1294
Location: Raleigh, NC

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me where / how to buy a Charles Davis wow wow mute? I cannot find an online retailer.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Lawler Bb
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 27 Jan 2002
Posts: 1139
Location: Milwaukee, WI

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadickson wrote:
Can anyone tell me where / how to buy a Charles Davis wow wow mute? I cannot find an online retailer.


http://www.hickeys.com/music/brass/trumpet/accessories/mutes/all_trumpet_mutes/products/sku035644-charles-davistrumpet-wahwah-mutealuminum.php

Mouthpiece Express used to show them on their website, but I see only the straights and cup right now.
_________________
Eric Sperry
www.ericsperry.com
www.facebook.com/EricSperryTrumpet/
www.instagram.com/milwaukeetrumpet/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
jadickson
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 23 Jun 2006
Posts: 1294
Location: Raleigh, NC

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Eric.

Does anyone have a recording of this Charles Davis wah-wah mute? I would love to hear what it sounds like. Thanks
_________________
Justin Dickson
Middle school band director. Still learning.
www.BandmateTuner.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
patdublc
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 02 Jun 2006
Posts: 1049
Location: Salisbury, MD

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zinger
_________________
Pat Shaner
Play Wedge Mouthpieces by Dr. Dave exclusively.
Experiment with LOTS of horn makes and models.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lawler Bb
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 27 Jan 2002
Posts: 1139
Location: Milwaukee, WI

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadickson wrote:
Thanks Eric.

Does anyone have a recording of this Charles Davis wah-wah mute? I would love to hear what it sounds like. Thanks


I have the copper one. I'll see what I can come up with for you.
_________________
Eric Sperry
www.ericsperry.com
www.facebook.com/EricSperryTrumpet/
www.instagram.com/milwaukeetrumpet/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Justin_Smith
Veteran Member


Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 212
Location: Oakland, CA

PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me the Best Brass is the way to go. they are a little pricey but worth it. I have both the aluminum and the brass models. It is the most in tune, has the best response over the whole range of the horn, and great sound.

I do like the zinger as well. They are getting more and more popular here in SF.
_________________
Justin J. Smith
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> Other Toys All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 2 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group