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RandyTX
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I can think of only one objection to the zinger, and that's the volume, or lack of volume, that you can get out of it. If you have to play it in a large ensemble without a mic, good look being heard on it. Especially if you're playing outdoors. It's great recorded or through a PA with a good quality mic, but not super practical without that, imo.
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adagiotrumpet
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| RandyTX wrote: | | I can think of only one objection to the zinger, and that's the volume, or lack of volume, that you can get out of it. If you have to play it in a large ensemble without a mic, good look being heard on it. Especially if you're playing outdoors. It's great recorded or through a PA with a good quality mic, but not super practical without that, imo. |
Interesting. My experience has been the opposite. Of all the harmon mutes I own, the aluminum Zinger cuts through a big band better than any of the others. |
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Has anyone else found that it makes a difference depending on the trumpet?
I used to use a JoRal aluminium on my Bach 37, but switched to a Denis Wick ET when I switched to my Yamaha Xeno II. For some reason, the JoRal aluminium wasn't giving me the harmon sound I wanted on my Xeno II (I'm not considering projection). I suppose it makes sense that trumpets with an inherently different unmuted sound, are going to sound different with the same mute.
Anyway, I never liked the Denis Wick ET on my Bach 37, but it is my go to harmon mute on my Yamaha Xeno II.
Has anyone else found something similar?
All the best
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| adagiotrumpet wrote: | | RandyTX wrote: | | I can think of only one objection to the zinger, and that's the volume, or lack of volume, that you can get out of it. If you have to play it in a large ensemble without a mic, good look being heard on it. Especially if you're playing outdoors. It's great recorded or through a PA with a good quality mic, but not super practical without that, imo. |
Interesting. My experience has been the opposite. Of all the harmon mutes I own, the aluminum Zinger cuts through a big band better than any of the others. |
The Zinger is easily the loudest harmon I have ever played. |
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Regarding the Zinger; "That buzz cuts!" according to the conductor of one of large ensembles I belong to.
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RandyTX
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Hmm, I wonder if they vary, of they've been changed a bit since first introduced. I bought one very early on after they came out, long before the Doc special paint job versions and such. I'll try one of the newer ones if I come across them at a trade show or something.
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| Mike Sailors wrote: | | Charley Davis aluminum harmon. |
Yes. Just got one, and it's great. It plays in tune!
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| dershem wrote: | | Mike Sailors wrote: | | Charley Davis aluminum harmon. |
Yes. Just got one, and it's great. It plays in tune! |
But do YOU play in tune? Intonation is a flexible thing.
I'd be willing to bet a pretty solid chunk of money that tested in a blind test, open and with the mute in, your intonation is going to change with the mute. It pretty much has to - you're changing the bell's natural resonance and you're adding resistance to the horn.
The real question is, how much it changes, and whether your ear and embouchure can easily compensate for it?
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| Trent Austin did a great series on mute comparisons including weight on Youtube. |
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