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Dieter Z
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ACB also has some short shank trumpet mouthpieces.
I've got a ACB MV3C 24C. Works great on my C trumpet.
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Matthew Anklan
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Add Hammond Design to the list.
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mike ansberry
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I have read that short shank mps generally have large throats and are helpful to classical players. Will they work well for commercial players?
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RETrumpet
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As a Monette player, my understanding is that shortening the shank is done to correctly proportion the taper of the backbore with the overall length of the horn. When everything is in the right proportion, the intonation of the whole system improves and you get more in-tune overtones which provides more resonance/less acoustic interference.
This is obviously more often relevant to classical players that tend to play more on shorter horns in higher keys, but it's worth noting that Monette Bb mouthpieces are shorter that Bachs/Yamaha's etc. Monette's claim is that typical Bach, etc. pieces are actually closer to Trumpet in A proportions.
I'm am unsure of how the throat plays into that equation, but plenty of great jazz/commercial players play on Monette and he has a wide variety of cups/backbores tailormade for that kind of work.
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MahlerMAD
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:49 am Post subject: Schilke short shank |
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Hello🎺
I’ve got a Schilke Symphony F1 trumpet mouthpiece, it’s a short shank/deep cup design that plays lovely 😃. So you might want to check out the Schilke Symphony F range 👍.
Kind regards,
Donald 🏴
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Danbassin
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| mike ansberry wrote: | | I have read that short shank mps generally have large throats and are helpful to classical players. Will they work well for commercial players? |
Dizzy used to cut and file down his mouthpieces to get the immediacy of response and evenness throughout octaves that he preferred. While that work was more ad hoc and exploratory, modern manufacturers have made something of a science of this. Below I saw a response about flugel-like mpcs where the system is balanced out to play reasonably in-tune on a trumpet by shortening the overall length of the shank. Then, the large throats that you mention may be a reference to Monette equipment, which I’m quite familiar with:
With Monette, it is also about balancing out all elements of the system. As a very general rule, the higher the key horn, Monette mouthpieces get shorter in overall length. Additionally, a standard throat on a (classical) Bb mouthpiece may be something like a 17, while the same rim/cup are balanced out with a 15 throat on C trumpet. This is very general, however, as I don’t believe my D or Eb mouthpieces sport even larger throats, and I can attest to the fact that Picc mpcs (among the shortest Monette makes) don’t continue this trend to oblivion - they’re typically a little smaller than Bb mpcs of comparable rims and cups.
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[quote="James Becker"] | coraltrpt wrote: | Not to resurrect this topic, but what is the overall advantage of making your, let's say Eb-trumpet, mouthpiece into a short shank?
Does this improve intonation? |
Thanks to Aurthur Benade http://acousticalsociety.org/about/awards/gold/12_10_10_benade
and put into practice by David Monette, the idea behind key specific length mouthpieces is to shift the alignment of open partials so problematic pitches like 5th partial (4th space E) are more in tune (not flat).
Not to steal Mark Curry's thunder, some twenty years ago we were the first to convert Marc Reese's Bach mouthpieces. At that time Marc was new to Empire Brass and was seeking a way to acclimate to Bach equipment after spending several years playing Monette. For us the logical solution was to modify Marc's Bach mouthpieces in order to provide the scale he had grown accustomed to. Since then we've converted countless mouthpieces for Marc and his students.
Thought I'd chime in here as well.
As far as Curry TF and TC cups go, shortening the blank was an absolute necessity getting those deep cups with larger throats to play remotely in tune.
But using this technique on more normal cup depths escaped me until Ken Larson came to me some years ago. He had Frankensteined a mouthpiece to the shorter length, but with a normal 27 throat. It had a custom backbore exit diameter and slightly oversized shank to produce the correct gap for that setup. It wasn't until he played it for me that I saw the wisdom in this approach. Beautifully controlled sound and response with minimal adjusting. That design became the RP model he sells today. I will offer this shank as an option as a one-piece model and a two-piece backbore section later this year.
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Mark Curry
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[quote="James Becker"] | coraltrpt wrote: | Not to resurrect this topic, but what is the overall advantage of making your, let's say Eb-trumpet, mouthpiece into a short shank?
Does this improve intonation? |
Thanks to Aurthur Benade http://acousticalsociety.org/about/awards/gold/12_10_10_benade
and put into practice by David Monette, the idea behind key specific length mouthpieces is to shift the alignment of open partials so problematic pitches like 5th partial (4th space E) are more in tune (not flat).
Not to steal Mark Curry's thunder, some twenty years ago we were the first to convert Marc Reese's Bach mouthpieces. At that time Marc was new to Empire Brass and was seeking a way to acclimate to Bach equipment after spending several years playing Monette. For us the logical solution was to modify Marc's Bach mouthpieces in order to provide the scale he had grown accustomed to. Since then we've converted countless mouthpieces for Marc and his students.
Thought I'd chime in here as well.
As far as Curry TF and TC cups go, shortening the blank was an absolute necessity getting those deep cups with larger throats to play remotely in tune.
But using this technique on more normal cup depths escaped me until Ken Larson came to me some years ago. He had Frankensteined a mouthpiece to the shorter length, but with a normal 27 throat. It had a custom backbore exit diameter and slightly oversized shank to produce the correct gap for that setup. It wasn't until he played it for me that I saw the wisdom in this approach. Beautifully controlled sound and response with minimal adjusting. That design became the RP model he sells today. I will offer this shank as an option as a one-piece model and a two-piece backbore section later this year.
mc
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I'm playing a fair bit of piccolo trumpet, and curious about getting a shorter trumpet shank mouthpiece. It's hard to negotiate through all sorts of marketing fluff, but ultimately any mouthpiece that helps intonation, stamina and high range is helpful on a piccolo.
My question for those that have tried them, does a short shank result in the tuning slide coming out further than with a regular length trumpet mouthpiece? |
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Joh Pintu
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| Quote: | | I will offer this shank as an option as a one-piece model and a two-piece backbore section later this year.
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Have you some news about this option? |
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