picc mouthpiece options...

RandyTX · Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:18 am Post subject: picc mouthpiece options...

I'm curious if anyone has compared cornet mouthpiece options for picc. Specifically a Bach 7e or 7ew to a Curry 7p.

I'm considering trying to get into that rim size for picc only and interested in any first hand observations about how the above pieces might compare to each other before I go on another safari.
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TKSop · Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:21 am Post subject:

I wasn't a huge fan of the Curry P, though I'm fully aware others would disagree on that.

If we're talking in that particular ballpark, I'd say that the Schilke 11AX sits very much at the size you're looking at and I personally prefer it to the 7E.

Paladin53 · Regular Member Joined: 27 Sep 2015 Posts: 34

First of all full disclosure.
I'm not a piccolo trumpet player. I happen to have one and occasionally pull it out of the case. Amateur comeback player at best. So take it for what it is worth.
I currently play a Curry 3C on Bb. I have a Curry 3P and a Vincent Bach 3E.
That is not exactly what you are looking for. I don't know if the difference in size from a 3 to a 7 would correlate or not.
I like the Bach 3E much better. I think I get a bigger fuller sound especially above what would be a high C on the full size Bb.

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Lionel · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Jul 2016 Posts: 783

Im roughly familiar with the three pieces. Although cant remember the rim contour on the Curry piece.

If I did lots piccolo (which I dont) would choose a rounded rim contour but not wide. As the extra width of the Bach 7W while possibly helping endurance would reduce flexibility.

In fact this rim discussion just reminded me of how I really dislike Bach rims. As they tend to run flat and overly wide. Even the regular rims are too wide. Let alone how inflexible the "EW"extra wide rims are. When you're playing exposed, technically advanced upper register phrases you need flexibility to get around on the instrument. For me the best design has always been the Al Cass rim. And I'm not alone in this opinion. As back in the day Al's customers were a veritable Who's Who of lead, high note trumpet pros.

And lead playing at an advanced level tends to parallel piccolo trp playing. The only difference is volume and style.
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zaferis · Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:56 am Post subject:

Curry P for me!... first of all the rim shape fits me, so I'm consistent and comfortable on the mouthpiece, then it's the blow. I could never get a good feel with backbore combos with Bach, Yamaha, etc.. something about Curry's design made a big difference for me.

Curry has less "bite" to the rim and a bit deeper cup than a Bach E (and a better shape IMO), so a little more tone. Range and color without backing up on me.

As a teacher, I continue to demo other mouthpieces to be able to have some input for my students on various products. For me nothing has matched the Curry for consistency (day to day), sound, endurance, comfort - all equalling playability.

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Don Herman rev2 · Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:03 am Post subject:

I like my Curry 7P and 5P much more than the Bach 7EW I tried, and go back and forth between it and the Schilke 14B4x I started playing. Most of the time the Curry is in my picc as I seem to have a bit more control with it. The Bach 7EW seemed a little too shallow for me, ditto a Schilke 14A4x.

I am far from a professional picc player, however.

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Steve Hollahan · Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:35 am Post subject: Piccolo mouhpiece

Love my Bob Reeves Piccolo, cornet shank model. Check out his Website.
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pushyred · Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:18 pm Post subject:

I just started using a picket 6DE with the Kanstul/Bach 24 cornet backbore. Seems to work quite well on my Schilke P7-4.

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AJCarter · Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:17 pm Post subject:

Have tried 7EW, 7E, and Schilke 11Ax and found them to be not as nice as the 7P. When I went to a Yamaha and had to get trumpet shank, I tried a trumpet 7EW and curry 7DE (trumpet shank equivalent of P). I liked the Curry better. It felt as if there was room for my face after playing through some Bach stuff.

I now use a Yamaha 11A5 which is great for me. But sadly, I do not believe they make it in cornet shank.
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Mason3724 · Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 1:25 pm Post subject:

I recently got the Pickett Brass Jens Piccolo piece, and I absolutely love it.

Tpt_Guy · Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 2:07 pm Post subject:

Disclaimer: I can't compare a 7E to a 7P as I haven't played the latter, but I can at least give my experience.

I recently switched from a Schilke 11AX. Part of the reason is the Schilke feels narrow (high point of the rim is closer to the bite), but the main reason I switched is because the shank didn't fit right. Schilke cornet mouthpieces never seemed to work well for me and a local tech clarified it for me: they use a different taper on the shank that matches their receivers better, but not other brands.

Now I use a Bach 7E. It works well enough and played correctly can either be nice and brilliant or sound fairly mellow (as far as piccolos go). The backbore number is not stamped on the shank, but since 117 is supposed to be the standard on a 7E, I assume that's what it is. It would be great to start on and is a good reference point as far as picc mpcs go.

Another mouthpiece I previously used on picc was a Bach 7D. I don't know what the backbore was (not stamped). It had a rich, lyrical sound. You may look into that one as well.
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patdublc · Posted: Sun May 14, 2017 4:02 pm Post subject:

I use w Wedge 10.5C for nearly all of my picc playing. The exceptions being extremely high parts. I was practicing BB2 recently and used a Wedge 10.5E for a little more facility at the top.
I'm not real sensitive to diameter changes so I can play comfortably on just about any size piece. I pick the piece for whatever sound I'm going for. But, 98% of the time it's a Wedge 5 or Wedge 10.5 rim.
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