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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 5:08 pm Post subject: Kiss your Comparator goodbye? |
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Just noticed the comparator links I had are both broken - and I'm seeing no sign of the comparator on the updated website?
I know it's always been easy to be misled by it (individual scans not being representative of current production models, for starters), but I for one shall miss having that resource available.
Here's hoping Kanstul will reinstate it at some point... or that someone else will be willing to host something comparable instead. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2651 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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None of my mouthpieces have ever seen the Comparator. How did people get by pre-Comparator? All my my mouthpieces are pre-1950 with just a C for cornet on them? No stats and no reviews. Maybe you just played it. _________________ Richard
Conn 22B Trumpet
York Eminence Model 4028 Cornet
1903 Conn The Wonder Cornet |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed - people got by before and they'll get by again...
But you know what they say: knowledge is power.
And with a little caution, the comparator was an incredibly valuable resource. |
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jaysonr Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2015 Posts: 797 Location: Conway, NC
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1825 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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The Kanstul site says the mouthpiece catalog is "under construction". Perhaps the comparator will return when they are finished. |
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trumanjazzguy Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2011 Posts: 403 Location: St. Louis, MO…or wherever the Ship I’m on is!
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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It's about time they updated it. Some of the scans were ENTIRELY not even representative of an average mouthpiece. They really need to scan at least 10 copies and submit the average of all of them, to even be slightly relevant. _________________ TPT: Nova LA
CRN: Getzen 1950’s W/5.5in bell
FL: Jupiter 1100R
‘Pieces:
TPT: 34-throat shallow double-cup, Chet Baker’s Custom Schilke, Bach Corp 3, Bach Mt. Vernon 6C, Ken Titmus BF Custom(s).
CRN: NY Giardinelli 7SV.
FL: Yamaha Bobby Shew |
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trumanjazzguy Veteran Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2011 Posts: 403 Location: St. Louis, MO…or wherever the Ship I’m on is!
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Plus, they're missing MANY brands that many people use today. I always wished you could recommend mouthpieces to scan. _________________ TPT: Nova LA
CRN: Getzen 1950’s W/5.5in bell
FL: Jupiter 1100R
‘Pieces:
TPT: 34-throat shallow double-cup, Chet Baker’s Custom Schilke, Bach Corp 3, Bach Mt. Vernon 6C, Ken Titmus BF Custom(s).
CRN: NY Giardinelli 7SV.
FL: Yamaha Bobby Shew |
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Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Jim New on his website has a mouthpiece comparator working and he adds models from time to time. _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Locutus2k wrote: | Jim New on his website has a mouthpiece comparator working and he adds models from time to time. |
He does, and the resolution is much better.... But there are very few scans on there of pieces he doesn't make.
I don't know whether he has an agreement with kanstul to not publish more scans (though I believe he has access to them?), but it'd be nice to see him add a lot more to his page - I wouldn't be opposed to him plastering it with ads and generating revenue from it either. |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 6:24 am Post subject: |
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The scans represent the mpcs made by Kanstul, which basically meant Jim New.
I'm not sure of the cost of scanning, but nobody does it for free.
Last edited by razeontherock on Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:27 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I suppose you have all more insight and more knowledge than me but I believe that the comparators are boy's toy's with at maximum an indicating worth and in fact they made me make more mistakes with them than without them. And believe me, I have/had a lot of mouthpieces. |
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 8951 Location: Monument, CO
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Wonder how many who used the comparator (and/or complained about it) actually bought mouthpieces from Kanstul? Hopefully they do derive some benefit (profit) from it... _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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epoustoufle Veteran Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2015 Posts: 232 Location: France
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:14 am Post subject: |
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Don Herman rev2 wrote: | Wonder how many who used the comparator (and/or complained about it) actually bought mouthpieces from Kanstul? Hopefully they do derive some benefit (profit) from it... |
It's a good question - I have considered buying many times. But in the end you are gambling on (essentially) a custom mouthpiece for $140 with little re-sale value. Compare to picking up a used Name Brand on eBay for $20 which you can re-sell for about the same price.
If they could monetize the comparator, that would be great for them and for us. Someone mentioned ads. I would pay a subscription ($5/yr) to get access. Particularly if they expand it with new mouthpieces - doesn't have to be comprehensive, just add pieces over time. I'd love to see a Marcinkiewicz on there, their rims have some magic sauce that I want to see. |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5464 Location: Suffolk, England
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Hi
http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
This link seems to work ok.
Regarding buying Kanstul mouthpieces, all mine were Kanstul and are now a mixture of Kanstul and James R New (I continued to use Jim New when he left Kanstul). Admittedly however mine are the same custom top (copy of my own particular 2005 Bach 3C, so obviously not one of the Kanstul scans) with standard backbores.
I don't however tend to use the Kanstul backbore comparator, as I find it harder to compare backbores than cups.
All the best
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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Bflatman Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Nov 2016 Posts: 720
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:50 am Post subject: |
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I think in some cases knowledge is not power it is weakness.
I never found any value in the comparator, when it comes down to it there are so many factors in the mix that knowing fine detail differences between mouthpieces is just chasing shadows.
How does it blow |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Louise Finch wrote: | Hi
http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
This link seems to work ok.
Regarding buying Kanstul mouthpieces, all mine were Kanstul and are now a mixture of Kanstul and James R New (I continued to use Jim New when he left Kanstul). Admittedly however mine are the same custom top (copy of my own particular 2005 Bach 3C, so obviously not one of the Kanstul scans) with standard backbores.
I don't however tend to use the Kanstul backbore comparator, as I find it harder to compare backbores than cups.
All the best
Lou |
Thanks, Lou... It wasn't working before but now seems to be restored |
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Louise Finch Heavyweight Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5464 Location: Suffolk, England
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:34 am Post subject: |
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TKSop wrote: | Louise Finch wrote: | Hi
http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
This link seems to work ok.
Regarding buying Kanstul mouthpieces, all mine were Kanstul and are now a mixture of Kanstul and James R New (I continued to use Jim New when he left Kanstul). Admittedly however mine are the same custom top (copy of my own particular 2005 Bach 3C, so obviously not one of the Kanstul scans) with standard backbores.
I don't however tend to use the Kanstul backbore comparator, as I find it harder to compare backbores than cups.
All the best
Lou |
Thanks, Lou... It wasn't working before but now seems to be restored |
Hi TKSop
You are very welcome.
Take care
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 9830 Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Don Herman rev2 wrote: | Wonder how many who used the comparator (and/or complained about it) actually bought mouthpieces from Kanstul? Hopefully they do derive some benefit (profit) from it... |
I did! |
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homebilly Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 2197 Location: Venice, CA & Paris, France
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Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:22 am Post subject: |
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i went to use the comparator but only got an ad for a pair of used
Claude Jammies
john are you selling your old pair ????? _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
waiting for Fed-Ex to deliver a $50 trumpet to my door. shipping was prepaid by seller of course!
http://ronmeza.com
http://highdefinitionbigband.com |
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MF Fan Veteran Member
Joined: 26 Mar 2002 Posts: 397 Location: The Great White North
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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The Kanstul Comparator is back up, but a large percentage of the mouthpieces scans that were available in the past are missing. Any ideas if they'll be bringing back the others?
http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html _________________ MF Fan
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L.A. Benge 5x
Holton MF3
Lead Trumpet - My Basement Jazz Orchestra |
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