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slee New Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:40 am Post subject: Shires trumpets |
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Can anyone speak to quality of Shires trumpets and if so, which models are most suitable for big band? |
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trpt.hick Rafael Méndez Forum Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: |
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None better in terms of quality craftsmanship. For big band playing, check out the Severinsen "Destino" model.
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HCarlHess Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I own the AZ B-flat (as does Mr. Hickman, I believe), and it is the most versatile horn I've ever played. It has a huge spectrum of tonal colors and, wait for it - plays in tune.
I played Bach trumpets for many years and the AZ is everything I loved about Bach's without the things I didn't so much love. |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Shires trumpets are of the highest quality. I've owned Shires Bb, C and Eb/D trumpets, and played most of the Shires models at ITG this year. Fantastic horns.
As for which is most suitable for big band playing, there are a number that could work for you. It really depends on your needs as a player. As a starting point, you might consider the Destino III as mentioned by Mr. Hickman, or the B, BLW or CVLA ("Vintage Los Angeles") models. Having said that, my favorite Shires models are the AF and the CVP. Very different horns, but both are plenty versatile (for me) for big band playing.
If you look hard enough you'll probably find just about every Shires model represented in one big band or another based on the needs of the individual players, much as you'll see Bach 37, 43, 43LT, 72LT all being used in similar settings by players with different needs.
Happy hunting! |
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Goby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know the specific vintage horns that influenced the design of the CVLA series? |
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Bill W Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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My bare brass BLW is the best lead horn I've ever played. Try one if you can. _________________ Bill Wasserman
Shires B-LW
Shires Custom C
1962 Quesnon Flugel
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iMEHat1PXV0 Playing Maynard's "Hey There" |
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dcjway Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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I have a Shires Severinsen Destino III, narrow, has great valves sounds mellow when played easy but can really sizzle when you push it. Not to mention the build quality and at the time out cost a Bach by about $1500 but I don't regret spending the money and Sam was a great help. I think they are having a factory day some time soon, go if you can , I'm going to try, I'm dying to try that new CVLA with the 0.465 bore.
Dave _________________ Shires Destino III
1971 Bach Vindabona
1947 Martin Committee (Large Bore)
1935 NY Bach 26-59 silver plate
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Dave CCM/SSO Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I've been playing shires for the past 2 years and couldn't be happier. I'm primarily a classical player, but I would probably lean towards the
Doc Severinsen Destino III if I was looking for a Jazz or big band horn.
I think you'll be very impressed if you have a chance to try these horns. Each Shires model that I've tried, which is quite a few, has played extremely well. They all have very quick response and play far more in tune than the Bach instruments from which I switched.
Good luck, and have fun!
Dave _________________ Dave
Springfield Symphony Orchestra (OH)
- www.springfieldsym.org
Seven Hills Brass
- http://www.facebook.com/sevenhillsbrass |
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DizzyChrizzy01 Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:31 am Post subject: |
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I have a Destino III and a BLW and play all my big band (lead) stuff on the BLW. Superb projection, nice sound, fast response.
I currently have a CLW and a CVLA-L here to try.
All four would be suitable to play in a big band. It's a kind of shoe size thing I guess.
Shires are top notch. |
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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I just got an email from Shires a couple days ago. I am 67 and was asking about the smaller bore horns. They recommended the medium bore Destino III, and the LA horn in medium. I also think their CMW, with different leadpipe and french bead was one they mentioned. If I had the money, even though I just picked up again after 17 years at 67, I would order a Shires immediately. Good Luck |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Every Shires I have seen and played is impeccably put together, and they all play very well. If I had a big budget for a new horn, Shires would be right at or near the top of my list. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't Shires get bought out recently? Or perhaps they're still in the process of that? Or maybe I'm getting my rumors mixed up.
A lot of products change design/materials/quality after a buyout, so I'm curious about that with Shires, if it is indeed a factor.
How many of you that are currently playing have a newer/older horn, etc.?
I've been playing the same Bach 37 for the last 37 years. (See what I did there?) I think it might be time to declare victory on the original $425 investment, and move on to a new horn. I also have a XO 1600i, but I feel like it's pretty one-dimensional, leaning quite strongly to the commercial side, and don't use it for anything that doesn't want to be quite bright sounding. That leaves me wanting a really good 'legit' horn in Bb.
I'm even considering one of the new Yamaha Xeno II's, but don't tell my horn, it may get offended in the interim. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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HCarlHess Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | Didn't Shires get bought out recently? Or perhaps they're still in the process of that? Or maybe I'm getting my rumors mixed up.
A lot of products change design/materials/quality after a buyout, so I'm curious about that with Shires, if it is indeed a factor.
How many of you that are currently playing have a newer/older horn, etc.?
I've been playing the same Bach 37 for the last 37 years. (See what I did there?) I think it might be time to declare victory on the original $425 investment, and move on to a new horn. I also have a XO 1600i, but I feel like it's pretty one-dimensional, leaning quite strongly to the commercial side, and don't use it for anything that doesn't want to be quite bright sounding. That leaves me wanting a really good 'legit' horn in Bb.
I'm even considering one of the new Yamaha Xeno II's, but don't tell my horn, it may get offended in the interim. |
I just bought their AZ model Bb and it's the best horn I've ever played. I can't speak to what they were before the sale to Eastman. |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Didn't Shires get bought out recently? Or perhaps they're still in the process of that? Or maybe I'm getting my rumors mixed up.
A lot of products change design/materials/quality after a buyout, so I'm curious about that with Shires, if it is indeed a factor. |
Shires was purchased by the Eastman Music Company. Steve Shires had been working with Eastman for some time beforehand helping Eastman design their own line of trumpets.
I've owned Shires trumpets made before Eastman purchased Shires, and trumpets made after the purchase. I haven't noticed any change in quality. Great horns. |
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hndrsn12b New Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:56 pm Post subject: Shires CLW Trumpet |
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I am a senior player and currently play a Bach Strad LT72 * trumpet which is almost 50 years old. I primarily play in church. The horn is in great condition but starting to show its age. Since I recently retired I decided to treat myself with a new horn. I have tried a new Bach Strad LT commercial which was a beautiful horn but just didn’t fit me. To me the sound wasn’t as good as my old Strad. I then got a Shires CLW. This is a barn burner! It will peal the paint off the walls (in a good way). The sound is amazing and much more brighter and powerful than my Strad. My LT Strad has a more mellower sound than the Shires. This horn is great for solos when you want to wake up the sleeping members and short out hearing aids! Lol. This is a keeper.. |
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trumpetmandan Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Goby wrote: | Does anyone know the specific vintage horns that influenced the design of the CVLA series? |
The CVLA horns are inspired by vintage Benges. |
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Don Low New Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Alex, that is beautifully done. You make the Shires sing.
I have a new Destino III for sale in the marketplace for about $1,000 under cost if anyone is interested. _________________ Getzen 3052 Custom
Getzen Genesis
Getzen Eterna Doc Severinsen
Getzen Eterna 896 Flugel
Schilke HC1
Schilke X3
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:42 am Post subject: |
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I see we are continuing an older thread. I have one of the earliest Shires C trumpets and I like it so much, I went back in March 2020 to get a Bb. I'm also a senior and I was looking for a horn easier to fill. I corresponded online with Alex so they had an idea what I should try when I went to the showroom. I tried many horns without knowing what they were, Alex listened, and I bought a Severinson Destino III in medium bore (their smallest). It's terrific, exactly what I wanted. I also received a tour of the factory - great fun. Highly recommended.
My understanding of the Eastman question, based on what they said at the tour, is that the top of the line Shires trumpets are fully made in their Massachusetts factory. Only the 'lesser' models are shipped in to be assembled there and sold under the Eastman name. If that's wrong, let me know please.
Note: I play the jazz chair in big bands, so my goal is not to peel paint. I wouldn't even know if this horn could. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D. |
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Goby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Did you get a chance to try the C series compared to the Destino? |
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