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dstdenis
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
Just ordered one of Flip's American long cornets. I'll post a review and maybe a demo if I can figure out how to get it uploaded.

Congrats! Very exciting!
Ok, now the horn-nerd questions: which finish? bell material?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip is great. Every time I call, he's there with plenty of help. Congratulations on your choice. I so look forward to the results when you get your new baby. If I had the money. Okay I actually have the money. But if I wanted to spend the money, I would be grabbing one of those rehabbed H. N. White Master cornets that they have for sale. $1900 for a moment in history when some of the greatest music was made.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I'm waiting for my new Flip Oakes American long cornet I'm going to be listening to this. Don't burn your ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMSQ2XDb-Po
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:59 am    Post subject: Anxious... Reply with quote

Did you get it yet? Huh? Is it there?!?

I can't wait to hear your impressions of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expecting Flip's horn in about a month! No wine before its time!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oncewasaplayer wrote:
The FO Long cornet is not a common horn. Many folks are lured over to the sexy curves of the FO short cornet. However I like this long cornet. It has an enormous bell and one needs to adjust some mutes to fit it properly. The build quality of the horn is excellent--no issues.

The blow is very very very open and that makes it a good match for some players. The mid to low register is dark and rich but it can brighten up as you move up above the staff. The openness makes it easy to play louder and with a large sound. Some say these qualities make it a good cross over horn for trumpet players who don't want to adjust to a tighter blow found on other cornets.

It's a good horn for playing trad jazz or even contemporary jazz in a small combo setting. In a ballad, you can let the sound be dark and rich. I think it could hold its own as a section horn in a big band although you'd get some looks from the other players simply because they'd see a cornet. This is not a BBB horn.

The trick is matching a cornet mouthpiece to the large bore open blow and striking a balance between your air, your sound and the setting.

You asked about the King Silversonic. King seems tighter and maybe brighter. My opinion changes every week, but I prefer the King for hot swing and for trad playing. I would choose the FO Long horn on days I feel strong.

What setting do you want a long cornet for?


I agree wth the description above. I own a number of cornets, and among these the long WT is one of my favourites. Compared to other cornets in general it is indeed very open. I would describe the sound as more "clear" than "vibrant". It can survive in a trumpet section and with a deep brass band-style mp it can almost pass as a flugel. I use it on some gigs, but I tend to favour my Martin Handcraft Committee cornet.

Neither the WT nor the Martin would qualify as a classical style cornet though. If that was requested I would use my old Getzen Eterna (always a pleasure to play the Eterna!), or maybe my Lawler.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the bell diameter of the F.O. Wild Thing short cornet?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GuidoCorona wrote:
What is the bell diameter of the F.O. Wild Thing short cornet?

Regards, G.


The rim is 5". The throat and taper of the bell is larger than any standard Bb bell. The same bell mandrel is used for the C trumpet, the Bb trumpet and both the Long and Short model cornets. It is the length from the rim to the cut point of the bell tail that is different from model to model.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much Brian for the detailed information... Very much appreciated!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My new Flip Oakes American Long Cornet is on its way to my doorstep! Watch for my review!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the opportunity to play the long cornet at an ITG conference several years ago and I loved the feel and sound of it.

I will also second the opinion that Flip's horns don't really play or sound like other conventional horns, and would caution folks not to draw comparisons if they haven't tried them.
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