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Kenny@Shires
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A note on our reverse pipes --

I was mistaken earlier, our Bb horns have a normal-style reverse setup like you would find on a Bach or Yamaha. We use the "hidden" reverse style for our C's.

Right now, only our Detwiler Artist model and one of our D bell models have the reverse leadpipe standard. However, we can set up any of our Bb or C trumpets with one as a custom order.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenny@Shires wrote:
Existentialist wrote:
When will you have a ML bore version of the CVLA available to the public?


We're prototyping them now. I can see if I can find a relatively firm date for you this week.


That would be great, thank you! They look great in lacquer, and I am very interested.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post is really nice! I have recently got an Af Bb shires that has become the best horn I ever played. Never tried any Shires before. I just picked and played and never looked back! I know this is a variation from the A series, but I would like to know which are the changes or features that make this trumpet so unique. May this model be compare to any similar one in the mass market?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zerbinatti wrote:
This post is really nice! I have recently got an Af Bb shires that has become the best horn I ever played. Never tried any Shires before. I just picked and played and never looked back! I know this is a variation from the A series, but I would like to know which are the changes or features that make this trumpet so unique. May this model be compare to any similar one in the mass market?
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Great to hear!

So, the standard A -- bottom bell seam, round bead, and round bend. AF -- side seam, flat French bead, and square bend. You'll notice slightly more responsive articulations and clearer sound as a result.

A -- heavy leadpipe, larger venturi. AF -- lightweight pipe, slightly smaller venturi. You'll notice a more efficient (some may say tighter) blow and a more brilliant sound on the AF as a result.

The A models are my favorite. They're our "hammer' line -- all-purpose-do-everything-take-it-everywhere-sound-good-anywhere-make-it-work horns. Not quite apples to apples to the Bach 37, but the same idea. Our D bells are closer in profile to a Bach 37, but the A models are incredibly well balanced.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remain fascinated with the new CVLA horns. Would you be able to weigh in on which model has the closest blow and feel to the Benge 3X+ (.464 bore)?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Existentialist wrote:
I remain fascinated with the new CVLA horns. Would you be able to weigh in on which model has the closest blow and feel to the Benge 3X+ (.464 bore)?


The ML IS now available. It'll be up on the website soon. We now offer a full M, ML, L, and XL bore lineup for our CVLA models.

I actually owned a Benge 3X for a time. The closest blow of the four for the regular 3X is the ML bore. I prefer the L and the XL bore, with the XL being my favorite. Results not typical -- everyone who has come in to play them has a different winner.

I will say though -- they are very efficient instruments; what you put into it more than doubles the sound result. They're meant to be Benge -- I don't want to say copies because that isn't accurate -- maybe custom tuned Benge horns? They retain the Shires playability, balance, intonation, and efficiency. They are what they are -- Commercial Vintage Los Angeles instruments. Different than anything we make, which is cool -- if you have the opportunity to try them, DO IT
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenny@Shires wrote:
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I remain fascinated with the new CVLA horns. Would you be able to weigh in on which model has the closest blow and feel to the Benge 3X+ (.464 bore)?


The ML IS now available. It'll be up on the website soon. We now offer a full M, ML, L, and XL bore lineup for our CVLA models.

I actually owned a Benge 3X for a time. The closest blow of the four for the regular 3X is the ML bore. I prefer the L and the XL bore, with the XL being my favorite. Results not typical -- everyone who has come in to play them has a different winner.

I will say though -- they are very efficient instruments; what you put into it more than doubles the sound result. They're meant to be Benge -- I don't want to say copies because that isn't accurate -- maybe custom tuned Benge horns? They retain the Shires playability, balance, intonation, and efficiency. They are what they are -- Commercial Vintage Los Angeles instruments. Different than anything we make, which is cool -- if you have the opportunity to try them, DO IT


Sounds great! I'm close to Chuck Levin's, and I know the carry Shires. I must give them a try.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still eager to hear your questions and thoughts! Ask me anything!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to see a standard weight bell with a steel bead with a standard weight leadpipe and tuning crook. So basically a 401 Standard weight everything. Every Shires horn is so nice, I would just love a lighter version.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a model that's almost that, the 410. It's not up on our website right now, but is getting "rediscovered" by some of our artists and local pros. Standard weight 4 bell, steel bead, brass balusters and top caps, nickel bottom caps, flanged "Bach Style" W tuning slide. The only modification to put it to your spec is to make the leadpipe standard weight, and the 410 has a YEB leadpipe, the 401 has the 401 pipe. Tuning slide crooks, as with all our crooks only have one thickness.


The above 410 is actually my personal horn exactly, and is perfect for what is in my ear and what I do.


We are of course -- at our core -- a custom shop, so we can literally make you anything.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:06 pm    Post subject: S.E. Shires Q&A: What do you want to know? Reply with quote

Kenny

What are the differences between the 401 and 401B trumpets?

Thank you!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Re: S.E. Shires Q&A: What do you want to know? Reply with quote

Eigentoot wrote:
Kenny

What are the differences between the 401 and 401B trumpets?

Thank you!


The 401B has a different leadpipe, slightly longer.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last summer I got a Q13 which I love, especially for the price. I'm curious if Q horns are patterned after certain Custom or Artist horns. Is the Q10 a cheaper version of Model A?

It seems odd that you would design a unique part for a budget product line BUT all the product descriptions specify a Q lead pipe, a Q tuning crook.

I'm guessing every Q component is a cheaper version of some Custom component?
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought id offer my experince with Shires so far..

The Shires reps came through Fresno a couple of weeks back, and at my request, they left behind one of their Eb trumpets for testing/evaluation. I believe it was the Q series Eb trumpet, not sure of the model exactly, though my understanding is the Q series is a mid-level offering. It resembles the E3L.

I finally had a chance to test it out last week and I was very impressed with the instrument. I can get a wonderful sound out of it, very easy blowing for an eb, and the scale is quite good. Maybe better than my E3L. The shop had a Yamaha 9636 in at the same time so I was able to compare the two. They are very different horns obviously, the Yamaha is lighter and responds more quickly to articulation, but the Shires held it's own very well in comparison. I think I liked the sound out of the shires better!
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm curious if Q horns are patterned after certain Custom or Artist horns. Is the Q10 a cheaper version of Model A?


The Q10 has a Shires A (Bach 37)-type bell flare, but it is not a less expensive A Model (or AF or AZ). It has its own unique set up. Quite a nice horn, by the way.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back to the CVP horns - they've always piqued my interest because I love the sound and the blow of the pre-war French Besson Brevete in particular. I played one owned by a friend of mine and have wanted one ever since.

Aside from the side seam and the French bead, what else was done in the build to make it play and sound like the pre-war Bessons? From looking at the horn, it doesn't physically resemble the old Brevetes the way the Chicago Benges or the Kanstul "Chicago" models did. From what I understand, Kanstul was in the process of coming out with a new horn to even more closely resemble the old Brevetes, but then they closed up shop before the horn ever made it to production beyond one or two prototypes.

I'm not so concerned about them looking like the old Bessons, but if they could play and sound like them I'd certainly be interested in acquiring one.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not so concerned about them looking like the old Bessons, but if they could play and sound like them I'd certainly be interested in acquiring one.


I really liked the CVP. The sound was somewhat similar to my 1940s French Besson Meha, but the blow was less similar. I didn't feel like it was a Shires replica of a Meha as much as it was something "in the tradition of" or "inspired by" the Meha.

The CVP is quite a versatile horn. I owned one for a while but then inherited my French Besson Meha (which I couldn't sell) and so decided to sell my Shires instead. The Shires is, to me, a superior instrument. A colleague plays one for everything from quintets to big band lead and sounds great on it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So nice to hear the love for the CVP!

I was the original designer of the CVP, so I can shed some light on a few things.

The concept was to satisfy the needs of one of my best friends, who is a terrific player who does mostly jazz combo work these days, but is versatile enough to have sat next to me in the orchestra, played pit work for musical theater, etc.

The goal was to create something that had a similar flexibility and tone to a great* pre-MEHA Besson that belonged to another Shires employee, but with more consistent intonation and slightly "snappier" slotting. To that end, the bell and leadpipe were heavily inspired by the original, but not direct copies. The valve cluster is a slightly heavier than the original Besson, and this is what is likely responsible for the change in blow. The CVP is a 0.459" bore, rather than the 0.460" of the original, which shouldn't matter at all (when was the last time you cleaned your horn...).

I believe that there are a couple of very small changes that have been implemented since I left in 2015, so I can't say if the current ones are the same as what I had in mind. Also, there are a few design elements that I can't disclose because they are considered trade secrets (sorry).

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Dayton"]
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Quite a nice horn, by the way.


I'm very happy with my Q13 and have been thinking about the Q10. According to my local tech (a former member of Dallas Brass) my Bach 37 is the "least awesome" of my horns. It's old and has never played as well as other Bachs I've tried. Shires is in the running for my next Bb.
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'm very happy with my Q13 and have been thinking about the Q10. According to my local tech (a former member of Dallas Brass) my Bach 37 is the "least awesome" of my horns. It's old and has never played as well as other Bachs I've tried. Shires is in the running for my next Bb.


If you like Bach 18037s in general, even if you your particular instrument is not "awesome," then there is a decent chance you'll like the Shires Q10. You can find them used in mint/excellent condition for under $2,000 , which is a bargain for a horn of that level of quality.
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