S.E. Shires Q&A: What do you want to know?

Kenny@Shires · Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:46 pm Post subject:

A note on our reverse pipes --

I was mistaken earlier, our Bb horns have a normal-style reverse setup like you would find on a Bach or Yamaha. We use the "hidden" reverse style for our C's.

Right now, only our Detwiler Artist model and one of our D bell models have the reverse leadpipe standard. However, we can set up any of our Bb or C trumpets with one as a custom order.
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Existentialist · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 193

Zerbinatti · New Member Joined: 27 Feb 2014 Posts: 8 Location: Brazil

This post is really nice! I have recently got an Af Bb shires that has become the best horn I ever played. Never tried any Shires before. I just picked and played and never looked back! I know this is a variation from the A series, but I would like to know which are the changes or features that make this trumpet so unique. May this model be compare to any similar one in the mass market?
Thanks

Kenny@Shires · Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:44 pm Post subject:

Existentialist · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 193

I remain fascinated with the new CVLA horns. Would you be able to weigh in on which model has the closest blow and feel to the Benge 3X+ (.464 bore)?
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Kenny@Shires · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:45 pm Post subject:

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Kenny@Shires · Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:51 am Post subject:

Still eager to hear your questions and thoughts! Ask me anything!

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Eric Ball · Veteran Member Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 261

I'd love to see a standard weight bell with a steel bead with a standard weight leadpipe and tuning crook. So basically a 401 Standard weight everything. Every Shires horn is so nice, I would just love a lighter version.

Kenny@Shires · Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:28 am Post subject:

We have a model that's almost that, the 410. It's not up on our website right now, but is getting "rediscovered" by some of our artists and local pros. Standard weight 4 bell, steel bead, brass balusters and top caps, nickel bottom caps, flanged "Bach Style" W tuning slide. The only modification to put it to your spec is to make the leadpipe standard weight, and the 410 has a YEB leadpipe, the 401 has the 401 pipe. Tuning slide crooks, as with all our crooks only have one thickness.

The above 410 is actually my personal horn exactly, and is perfect for what is in my ear and what I do.

We are of course -- at our core -- a custom shop, so we can literally make you anything.
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Eigentoot · Regular Member Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Posts: 44

Kenny —

What are the differences between the 401 and 401B trumpets?

Thank you!

Kenny@Shires

Fubeca · Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 12:19 pm Post subject:

Last summer I got a Q13 which I love, especially for the price. I'm curious if Q horns are patterned after certain Custom or Artist horns. Is the Q10 a cheaper version of Model A?

It seems odd that you would design a unique part for a budget product line BUT all the product descriptions specify a Q lead pipe, a Q tuning crook.

I'm guessing every Q component is a cheaper version of some Custom component?
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Nathan.Sobieralski · Veteran Member Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 260

Thought id offer my experince with Shires so far..

The Shires reps came through Fresno a couple of weeks back, and at my request, they left behind one of their Eb trumpets for testing/evaluation. I believe it was the Q series Eb trumpet, not sure of the model exactly, though my understanding is the Q series is a mid-level offering. It resembles the E3L.

I finally had a chance to test it out last week and I was very impressed with the instrument. I can get a wonderful sound out of it, very easy blowing for an eb, and the scale is quite good. Maybe better than my E3L. The shop had a Yamaha 9636 in at the same time so I was able to compare the two. They are very different horns obviously, the Yamaha is lighter and responds more quickly to articulation, but the Shires held it's own very well in comparison. I think I liked the sound out of the shires better!
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Dayton · Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 2:52 am Post subject:

Weekend Warrior · Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 7:56 am Post subject:

Back to the CVP horns - they've always piqued my interest because I love the sound and the blow of the pre-war French Besson Brevete in particular. I played one owned by a friend of mine and have wanted one ever since.

Aside from the side seam and the French bead, what else was done in the build to make it play and sound like the pre-war Bessons? From looking at the horn, it doesn't physically resemble the old Brevetes the way the Chicago Benges or the Kanstul "Chicago" models did. From what I understand, Kanstul was in the process of coming out with a new horn to even more closely resemble the old Brevetes, but then they closed up shop before the horn ever made it to production beyond one or two prototypes.

I'm not so concerned about them looking like the old Bessons, but if they could play and sound like them I'd certainly be interested in acquiring one.

Dayton · Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 9:20 am Post subject:

rdpyle · Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 12:13 pm Post subject:

So nice to hear the love for the CVP!

I was the original designer of the CVP, so I can shed some light on a few things.

The concept was to satisfy the needs of one of my best friends, who is a terrific player who does mostly jazz combo work these days, but is versatile enough to have sat next to me in the orchestra, played pit work for musical theater, etc.

The goal was to create something that had a similar flexibility and tone to a great* pre-MEHA Besson that belonged to another Shires employee, but with more consistent intonation and slightly "snappier" slotting. To that end, the bell and leadpipe were heavily inspired by the original, but not direct copies. The valve cluster is a slightly heavier than the original Besson, and this is what is likely responsible for the change in blow. The CVP is a 0.459" bore, rather than the 0.460" of the original, which shouldn't matter at all (when was the last time you cleaned your horn...).

I believe that there are a couple of very small changes that have been implemented since I left in 2015, so I can't say if the current ones are the same as what I had in mind. Also, there are a few design elements that I can't disclose because they are considered trade secrets (sorry).

Hope this helps!
-Robin

*Doc Severinsen said that this particular Besson was quite possibly the finest one he had ever played!

Fubeca · Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 2:24 pm Post subject:

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Dayton · Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 3:07 pm Post subject: