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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:09 pm Post subject: Why did Doc move away from Getzens? |
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Doc has played several post-Getzen "Severinson's". I just played a Getzen Severinson and it's superb. Does anybody know why he changed? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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MarkZ Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know why Doc moved to other horns, however, I own one bought new in 1974. The Getzen Severinsens are undervalued. Fantastic big band horn. I think Doc once said the only thing wrong was they didn't charge enough! _________________ Monette LTJ Bb
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I read in an interview many years ago, that Doc Severinsen
wasn't entirely happy with the Bell on the Getzen Severinsen model.
I can't recall at the moment, but in this article Doc mentioned the name of the man
that was actually responsible for designing the Severinsen model for Doc.
I believe the article was in an old ITG journal.
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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Doc is a 'gearhead' and always looking for the new, better horn. He also has oodles of makers looking to him to promote their horns. I have a friend who was in business with him to build horns (The Severinsen-Akright Bel Canto) that were works of art, but after a while, Doc got a better offer. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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dershem wrote: | Doc is a 'gearhead' and always looking for the new, better horn. He also has oodles of makers looking to him to promote their horns. I have a friend who was in business with him to build horns (The Severinsen-Akright Bel Canto) that were works of art, but after a while, Doc got a better offer. |
Dick and I talked about Doc once. He mentioned something about why Doc moved on, but I will be darned if I can remember. |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I attended a clinic Doc gave about a year ago. Someone brought a vintage Getzen Severinsen model and asked Doc to play a few notes on it. Doc played a few scales and then said, "Sometimes I think I should have just stayed with this."
Doc is very into technical details of horn building. He talked a lot about that at his clinic and about how he has given very exacting specifications to horn builders to make him horns of his own design. What he didn't explain is the specifics of how his specifications are supposed to give him what he wants. He didn't explain/define what he wants in anything more than very general terms.
It's interesting to me that a player of his incredible ability is so focused on microscopic details of horn design. Doc would sound great on any decent horn. At his level does the horn really make much difference as long as it's a decent horn in good working order? _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Why did Doc move away from Getzens? |
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kehaulani wrote: | Doc has played several post-Getzen "Severinson's". I just played a Getzen Severinson and it's superb. Does anybody know why he changed? |
The title of this topic could easily be:
"Why did Doc move away from (insert any of Doc's horns here)?"
example:
"Why did Doc move away from the Bel Cantos?"
"Why did Doc move away from Kanstul-Destino line ?"
Anyway, I agree, those old Getzen Severinsens are super horns. I've pondered getting one, but then I look at my collection that I rarely have time to play anymore and reconsider. I might have to sell some of the less horns in that stash and make room for a winner like a Severinsen.
I've played the new Shires Destino and thought it was very nice as well. I just happened to like the Shires CLW and BLW even more. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Shhh! The dog is asleep. Don't disturb him. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
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There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:42 am Post subject: |
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I'll bet Tony Scodwell will chime in here.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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lewins Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I strongly suspect that Doc has a financial interest in Shires, either directly through an ownership percentage, or indirectly through royalties or commissions. I actually got to meet him at ITG this year in the Shires room, and he was helping sell their horns. |
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bnsd Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:06 am Post subject: |
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I'm guessing money
as far as the question somebody asked... yes; he would sound great on any horn, and most of us would donate a body part to sound like he does... but at the highest level of every profession/skillset, the smallest of details matter. I've seen it in downhilling, motox, skateboarding, etc. I had a $1700 mountain bike (when that was a lot) and was constantly trading up (because I could afford it and it made it more enjoyable... I'm married now, I can't afford bikes anymore). At the professional or semi-professional level, small details matter, even if they are only in your head |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | I'll bet Tony Scodwell will chime in here.
Brad |
I might just take that bet... _________________ Brian A. Douglas
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:37 am Post subject: |
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shofarguy wrote: | Shhh! The dog is asleep. Don't disturb him. |
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I would think that what Doc does in relation to who makes his horns and why he leaves one manufacturer for another really isn't anyone's business but Doc and the manufacturer. Certainly not the general trumpet population.
A reasonable assumption is the manufacturer does have more business generation its way with Doc on board.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Vin DiBona wrote: | I would think that what Doc does in relation to who makes his horns and why he leaves one manufacturer for another really isn't anyone's business but Doc and the manufacturer. Certainly not the general trumpet population.
A reasonable assumption is the manufacturer does have more business generation its way with Doc on board.
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I was surprised at how easy it was to play. I think the question is an honest one and the goal was to find out what characterizes it's worth when contrasted with other horns, not a question of Doc's worthiness. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Usedtobegood Veteran Member
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, Usedtobegood, (funny pseudonym BTW), a lot of pertinent information. Just what I was looking for. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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shofarguy wrote: | Shhh! The dog is asleep. Don't disturb him. |
Okay, this is almost creepy. We recently took in an approximately 3 month old stray puppy. And I just got it to sleep about 15 minutes ago and as I was reading through this thread, I had the thought that maybe I could go practice my Irons flexibilities on the other side of the house and not wake the puppy up. It was at that moment that I came upon Brian's post.
It is a female though. That's why it's only "almost" creepy. Had Brian written "her" I would have freaked...
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | shofarguy wrote: | Shhh! The dog is asleep. Don't disturb him. |
Okay, this is almost creepy. We recently took in an approximately 3 month old stray puppy. And I just got it to sleep about 15 minutes ago and as I was reading through this thread, I had the thought that maybe I could go practice my Irons flexibilities on the other side of the house and not wake the puppy up. It was at that moment that I came upon Brian's post.
It is a female though. That's why it's only "almost" creepy. Had Brian written "her" I would have freaked...
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Either way, it's better to let sleeping dogs... Well, you know. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Kehaulani.
My comment was not directed at your question. I don't think it is anyone's business what profit - if any - Doc derives from a switch of manufacturers.
An old ITG article about Doc mentions his delight with the sound of a 37 style bell. Perhaps that is all he is really looking for? A better 37?
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