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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:37 am    Post subject: Solo Protocol Reply with quote

I don't know about you but I get tired of playing solos as is in standards like In the Mood and April in Paris.

What's the current thinking on ad libbing these and other chesnuts? Are audiences disappointed when they don't hear In the Mood the way Joe Garland played it or April in Paris without the Pop Goes the Weasel riff?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinion is that if you can improvise a solo that is superior to the recorded version then you ought to, since the sound of an outstanding improvised solo will invariably sound better than somebody reading a written out solo that was originally an improvised solo.

However, if you are not a stellar improvisor, I would do my very best to play the written solos as impeccably faithful to the original as possible.

I have played in bands where all the trumpets play those solos in unison, which is a cool effect if the players don't suck.

I have also played in groups that had harmonized versions of those solos for the trumpet section and that is also a cool effect if the players don't suck.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sort of depends on HOW iconic the solo is, and if its REALLY recognizable. And as stated above, I tend to play the very iconic ones as written unless I think I can improvise something better.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My band plays a lot of Glenn Miller tunes and, while Garland's solo on Mood and Hackett's on String are truly iconic I still get weary of them and, remembering Prez's "I try not to be a repeater pencil" I like to play them differently.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind that insider info on the solo's may skew perception. I'll bet most of the audience doesn't know the solos and just wants to hear good music. And just for the record, I hate the "Pop Goes the Weasel" inclusion in the solo. But I also hate all the other insertions artists make when playing another song in middle of the solo. It always sounds like they ran out of ideas and played a stock "cute" something. I say play it your way and play it different every time.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just occurred to me that the solo on In the Mood was by Clyde Hurley. Joe Garland wrote the tune.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having played Glenn Miller a BAZILLION times, I can say with my audiences that the are familiar with solos like on "String of Pearls" and are generally more satisfied when it sounds like the original.

However on tunes like "April in Paris", I just think the "sacrosanct" solos on these tunes are more of a thing with musicians and not the audience.

I think, when all else fails just go with the expectations of the audience. It doesn't take a genius to read their reaction.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it depends on the personalities and preferences of the band members and audience, rather than a rule etched in stone somewhere. The band that I play with leaves it to the soloist to decide and are very encouraging and supportive of improvised solos. Our audiences respond well to solos played with style, regardless of whether they are improvised or written out.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
I don't know about you but I get tired of playing solos as is in standards like In the Mood and April in Paris.

What's the current thinking on ad libbing these and other chesnuts? Are audiences disappointed when they don't hear In the Mood the way Joe Garland played it or April in Paris without the Pop Goes the Weasel riff?

Play what you want. Just play it well, and have fun doing it.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to zoom to the solo, it's at 13:35:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually leave it to the band leader. Some really want those classic solos played, others couldn't care less. But I look at them as our jazz version of "orchestral excerpts". When April in Paris or String of Pearls gets called ..... you better be able to play it ... if needed!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lot of good points in this thread. Jazz is all about creativity but it's always a good idea to read the room - and the leader.
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