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MDHorn Regular Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 11 Location: Ft. Washington, MD
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, again for all the replies: lots to consider!
Does anyone have any thoughts, experiences and/or opinions, as an owner on teacher, with the following horn:
John Packer JP251SWS Trumpet? I saw one online for $399.00 _________________ Coming back soon!
'39 King Master Cornet
'74 Olds Ambassador
'?? Couesnon Flugelhorn |
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MDHorn Regular Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 11 Location: Ft. Washington, MD
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:15 am Post subject: Coming Back! What Horn? |
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Thank you, again for all the replies: lots to consider!
Does anyone have any thoughts, experiences and/or opinions, as an owner or as a teacher, with the following horns:
Conn 1050B
Bach TR300
Bach Liberty
Getzen 300
Holton 601 - 602
Also, reasonable price range (US $)
Thanks,
MDHorn _________________ Coming back soon!
'39 King Master Cornet
'74 Olds Ambassador
'?? Couesnon Flugelhorn |
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 3630 Location: Pacifica, CA, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Coming Back! What Horn? |
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MDHorn wrote: | Thank you, again for all the replies: lots to consider!
Does anyone have any thoughts, experiences and/or opinions, as an owner or as a teacher, with the following horns:
Conn 1050B
Bach TR300
Bach Liberty
Getzen 300
Holton 601 - 602
Also, reasonable price range (US $)
Thanks,
MDHorn |
The Getzen 300 is one of the best student line trumpets available. The TR300 is a workhorse, and just fine. Avoid mainland Chinese instruments, no matter what name is on the bell. Take lessons and use whatever method book your teacher recommends, as already suggested by others. If the horn frustrates you, put it down and do something else - practice/play w/a good attitude - it's supposed to be fun, no?
Good Luck! _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
Edwards X-13
ACB MV3C /ACB A1/26 backbore
https://yourbrass.com/ |
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Dr. Manhattan Veteran Member
Joined: 23 Jul 2016 Posts: 102 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:43 am Post subject: Come Back! What Horn? |
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Hello and welcome back to playing again!
I was and still am a comeback player after a little over 20 years off.
I would send your current horn to a reputable brass repairman instead of paying a chunk of dough on another horn. Those old horns have great personalities!!! Another reason to keep using your cornet is that you will complement your lead player.
I do recommend getting a teacher! With a good teacher you will progress faster.
Good Luck!! _________________ Several Trumpets and Flugelhorns!
Trying to thin the small herd!! |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7010 Location: AZ
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Welcome back! I skimmed the recommendations above and the advice about lessons is good. I came back after about 30 years away and have enjoyed it a lot.
I missed what type of church music you intend to play, but I'd like to suggest some trumpets to avoid, as you get started. There are a few designs that are designed to emphasize brilliance and what we call "cut" in the tone. Some of those would be the Holton's MF series, Benge's 2X & 6X-CG and Callicchio's 1S/2, which would also include Kanstul's 1502 and Adam's A5. These are great for pop and big band lead, but not too good for orchestra and hymns. Especially for a new comeback player. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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plp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 7023 Location: South Alabama
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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As was stated above in your post, any of those trumpets you mentioned would be fine, will personally suggest the Getzen.
At one time I bought a LOT of trumpets (still have way too many) and the Getzen 300's that came through were all solid, dependable and most importantly, well playing instruments.
I can't suggest any method books, but will throw out one thing. Get some piano books of the type of music you like and want to play, and work on a couple of those songs every night. Just doing scales and etudes loses my attention pretty quickly, but actually finding a song that accomplishes the same goal makes practice a lot more fun.
After you have learned to play it as written, learn it in Bb, by adding two sharps and reading up a note. The ability to transpose from C to Bb is invaluable if you are playing in a church group, as you can play right from the hymnal if that is all you have.
An example of what I mean is one I use as a long tone study, 'Creep' by Radiohead, more the melody than the rhythms, just run everything together. At that point, the goal are the long tones and keeping the note centered, not so much playing the song. Beats the heck out of trying to wade through 4 pages in Arban's. Same with intervals, would much rather play 'Sir Duke' than some repetitive etude.
When I first started re-learning how to play, I found this site to be invaluable, tons of free stuff and some excellent advice.
http://abel.hive.no/ctg/
Best single bit of advice I ever got was take private lessons before you spend another penny on gear. There is no substitute to one on one instruction with someone who can guide you in the right direction.
Rest as much as you play, and have fun. _________________ Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Coming Back! What Horn? |
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MDHorn wrote: | Thank you, again for all the replies: lots to consider!
Does anyone have any thoughts, experiences and/or opinions, as an owner or as a teacher, with the following horns:
Conn 1050B
Bach TR300
Bach Liberty
Getzen 300
Holton 601 - 602
Also, reasonable price range (US $)
Thanks, MDHorn |
I used, and still own and play, a Bach TR300H2. It has served me well and is a decent sounding horn for a student model. I do find it lacking when it comes to playing above the staff, but it has excellent valves and is made in the USA . I paid $749 Canadian for mine new. It may be cheaper in the USA. _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet |
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 705
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:29 am Post subject: starting up again |
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I agree with people that have listed Getzen horns. If you played extensively when young you will probably want a pro level horn which will be more bucks but you won't necessarily be looking 6 months down the road as you progress for something that blows like a pro level horn. I recently bought a pro level horn on here That Bill Pfund has made. He is a professor emeritus out of Northern Colorado. I found one without very much use at all for $550 bucks and it plays wonderfully. I just restarted, too, so the horn is great and I am not, go figure. I believe alot in Getzen horns as being built sturdily. They have several levels 300-Capri-700- and Eterna that are all good to play. I just wish you the best taking it up again. Get a teacher if you want. That might be usefull for ya. |
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MDHorn Regular Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2017 Posts: 11 Location: Ft. Washington, MD
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:53 pm Post subject: Coming Back! What Horn? |
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Hello, all:
Well, I did it. Found a vintage Olds Ambassador for $56.00. It ain't pretty, but the price was not bad for the work it needs. My local technician sees potential and I trust him since he's a local working/performing pro trumpet player. He has taught me to look for diamonds in the rough and go for sound over good looks (within reason, of course!) He's working on it now and maybe I'll post a couple of before and after pictures. (Don't worry - no before and after audio tracks of me playing!)
Thank you all for the help!!!
MDHorn _________________ Coming back soon!
'39 King Master Cornet
'74 Olds Ambassador
'?? Couesnon Flugelhorn
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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trickg wrote: | I have a Sonare TRC 800 that I'm looking to sell for $1000. This trumpet is German made in collaboration with Blackburn Trumpets with the following features:
Genuine Blackburn lead pipe (designed specifically for this horn, it’s like a #19-348 with a slightly different venturi)
Medium Large Bore (.459)
Patented Micro Lok valve alignment system
4.78” hand-hammered, cryogenically treated bell, designed for optimal projection
This trumpet has a focused easy blow that is even and consistent throughout the horn, and has secure slotting with great intonation - you'd probably like it a lot.
I work on Andrews AFB, so we could probably hook up a time for you to give it a whirl - with you being at Fort Washington, you aren't that far away. |
The late great Lew Soloff played and endorsed this horn. |
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