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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Jun 2017 Posts: 103 Location: Muskegon, MI
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:26 pm Post subject: Rotary piccolo vs. Short-bell piccolo |
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There's a lot of forum dedication to the "best picc" conversation, but most center on the long Schilke vs. short-bell conversation. How do you compare your experiences on short piccs vs rotaries?
Just for some context, I play a Kanstul 920 (long...and not awesome). I go to graduate school and tried my companions' horns. What I loved most, more than my friends' brand new P5-4s, was a Getzen Eterna, a short bell! As I do mostly Baroque chamber playing, I'm looking at moving away from the bright orchestral horns. I love the sound of rotaries too. |
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trumpetlane Regular Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 49 Location: Ooltewah, TN
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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I play a Getzen Eterna Pic and tend to agree with you. I really like the sound as well. My only difficulty is struggling with the intonation a bit on the Bb side. _________________ Gregory Lindquist
Educator, Conductor, Performer
Bb - XO 1602S-R
C - Jupiter XO 1624s
D - Yamaha YTR-751
Cornet - Yamaha YCR-231
Flugel - Getzen 895 Eterna
Pic - Getzen 940 Eterna w/ Blackburn leadpipes
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jazzvuu Veteran Member
Joined: 22 Feb 2010 Posts: 200 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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I only have experience with a Schilke P5-4 I had in college and now, a Yamaha YTR-988 rotary picc (gotten on a great deal on ebay (probably the only one I seen for sale used in the last year or two). The P5-4 I feel projected more, with a tighter blow and brighter sound. The YTR-988 blows open (but will shut you down if you over blew) and has a round sound to me. |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2662 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:30 am Post subject: |
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It all depends on WHICH rotary and short form piccolo you are talking about.
Scherzer made in East Germany (pre 1989) is a very different beast to today's version. Schmidt? Pater? I play on an old 1985 Scherzer Bb/A and it is wonderful. Warm, open, singing feel and sound.
At the same time, I came into possession of a Thein short Bb/A. Totally different, but also has a similar feel - open, singing, much, much warmer than any other piston piccolo I have played.
They are different, as in the Thein can carry and cut through much more, but they have the same sort of open free-blowing feel.
Getzen? Sorry I have played quite a few and they are just not in the same league...
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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trumpetchops Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 2644
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have an old Selmer 4 valve. The sound is nice. I like it anyway. The trumpet is kind of hard to play. I bought Blackburn pipes and that helped a lot. I still have the trumpet but, it's been replaced with a Scherzer. Easy to play and I think a nicer warmer sound.
I've never owned a Schilke. I've played a bunch. I think they play a little easier than the Scherzer but, I don't care for the sound.
Just as a side note. A piston trumpet is easy to clean and oil. I still would get the Scherzer again. _________________ Joe Spitzer
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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trumpetchops wrote: | I've never owned a Schilke. I've played a bunch. I think they play a little easier than the Scherzer but, I don't care for the sound. |
It might be worth pointing out that Schilke makes more than one model picc. Though almost everybody knows of the P5-4, it seems many do not know of the P7-4 (shorter, tighter wrap) version.
I think it plays differently, but more importantly, sounds less 'piccolo-ish' than the 5-4. Some people want that sound, but I personally think that most of the time it is too much of a good thing.
Though not as warm as a rotary, it's a lot closer to a sound that doesn't just scream "HELLO I AM PLAYING A PICCOLO TRUMPET" than the 5-4 model. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Jun 2017 Posts: 103 Location: Muskegon, MI
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your thoughts! My Kanstul just isn't cutting it...I'm really disappointed 😞 And I've put LOADS of mindful practice time into it.
Are there even any other reasonable short bell models made today besides the Getzen? |
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rmch Regular Member
Joined: 20 Sep 2012 Posts: 94
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I would try as many as possible. With piccs, this will probably take a while because most stores won't have a dozen different models in stock, but just be patient and put up with your Kanstul until then (at least you won't have to turn down a picc gig because you don't already have one). Try the old Selmers, try the newer Selmers they made just before they stopped making trumpets, try Benges, Courtois also made a short model decades ago, try the short Yamahas, try the Getzens too (Maurice Murphy of the London Symphony used to play one and got a nice sound on it). Worst case scenario, you could always buy one of these old horns and end up selling it if you find something you like better - it might take a bit, but there is a market for these old horns, so you could probably sell it for around the same price you bought it. _________________ 1919 King Liberty
1923 Conn 22B
1955 Selmer 24A (Balanced Action)
1981 LA Benge ML #3 bell
1938 Couesnon Flugel
1907 HN White Co. "King" Cornet
1977 Selmer Picc |
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