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PaoloOneArm Regular Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:59 pm Post subject: Curry mp I cannot find info about |
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Hi everyone
I'd like to purchase from a a friend a mine a Curry mouthpiece, but I cannot find any info about it.
On the mp, I can read "RENO NV" (NV is Nevada, as you perfectly know)
Than, I can read "L" and a smaller "3"
I'd like to add a photo but I don't know how to do it.
From the photos I have, Iìm quite sure it is Lead mp, but I'd like to have a Bach comparison...3E, 3F or what?
Can you help me?
Thanx!
Paolo - Italy _________________ Bach72* customized (Amado, rings, golden part)
Getzen Eterna 900 (dated 1977)
Couesnon flugehorn (around 1940)
Olds Ambassador cornet (dated 1954) |
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Does Mark Curry not respond to questions? I know he commented here years ago but abruptly stopped.
Kent |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 5680 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:34 am Post subject: |
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oxleyk wrote: | Does Mark Curry not respond to questions? I know he commented here years ago but abruptly stopped.
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Mark is kind of hit or miss these days on email communication. That's been my experience anyway. I'm not sure why. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2655 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:15 am Post subject: |
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He's very busy. That's all. I just had him make a custom mouthpiece recently. It took him 2-3 weeks to answer the order saying he had made the mouthpiece. I paid. He shipped. His only response was that he had made the mouthpiece and was ready to ship when I paid him. He's aware of email questions coming in, but doesn't have the time to respond.
On another note. He also doesn't respond to questions from stores and other suppliers. They send him an order and receive their mouthpieces about a month later.
Imagine you are the guy in a one man operation. How often do you warm up the equipment? You are probably flooded with hundreds of emails. Pretty amazing that he can do what he does. _________________ Richard
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Chances are that it is a custom made piece. If it works for you, why worry about it? |
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PaoloOneArm Regular Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2017 Posts: 12 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanx a lot my Friends.
This is exactly what happened. I wrote to Mark a couple of data ago. No answers. It is very unusual. Customer Service is actually the key point for a Company. Help can hire somebody to help him if help has so much work to do. Kanstul, Schilke, Adams, Monette answers me, both technical and commercial answers.
Ok, i wait. And I Hope someone Can help me.
Thanx again Mu Friends _________________ Bach72* customized (Amado, rings, golden part)
Getzen Eterna 900 (dated 1977)
Couesnon flugehorn (around 1940)
Olds Ambassador cornet (dated 1954) |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:06 am Post subject: |
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PaoloOneArm wrote: | Thanx a lot my Friends.
This is exactly what happened. I wrote to Mark a couple of data ago. No answers. It is very unusual. Customer Service is actually the key point for a Company. Help can hire somebody to help him if help has so much work to do. Kanstul, Schilke, Adams, Monette answers me, both technical and commercial answers.
Ok, i wait. And I Hope someone Can help me.
Thanx again Mu Friends |
Kanstul, Schilke, Adams and Monette all have a greater number employees, and your reply reinforced the differences between those makers and Curry.
Mark is a one-man operation, and he could hire someone to answer the phone, but be required to double the cost of every mouthpiece he sells in order to pay that person. Which do you prefer? Better cost and communication that sometimes takes time, or a double the cost mouthpiece?
Add to that the fact that your request is not a sales request, but an information request on a second hand mouthpiece that any profit he made from occurred long ago, and the situation makes your being upset about his lack of instantaneous responses even more ungrateful sounding.
Then add in that the past week was a national holiday in America, for which I hope he took a couple days off to celebrate and to enjoy. Maybe he wanted to have a few days away from the email and the shop.
I'm usually pretty "live and let live" on here, but in the case of Mark, a good man and an excellent maker who has done so many good things for so many people, I take offense and had to reply.
Sincerely,
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 5680 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Richard III wrote: | Imagine you are the guy in a one man operation. How often do you warm up the equipment? You are probably flooded with hundreds of emails. Pretty amazing that he can do what he does. |
If that's the case, you'd think he'd hire someone to help - even a HS kid to do basic stuff for minimum wage. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
"95% of the average 'weekend warrior's' problems will be solved by an additional 30 minutes of insightful practice." - PLP |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 2450 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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trickg wrote: | Richard III wrote: | Imagine you are the guy in a one man operation. How often do you warm up the equipment? You are probably flooded with hundreds of emails. Pretty amazing that he can do what he does. |
If that's the case, you'd think he'd hire someone to help - even a HS kid to do basic stuff for minimum wage. |
You want a high schooler answering incredibly detailed, needy trumpet-nerd mouthpiece questions? Ha - every email would read like our old friend Cap'n Kirk wrote it... We'd be worse off than before! _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
Yamaha 8310Z flugel
Curry 3. |
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trumpethead Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 444 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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If that's the case, you'd think he'd hire someone to help - even a HS kid to do basic stuff for minimum wage.[/quote]
Yes. Completely agree.
It would be in Mark's advantage to get help, as customer service should be a priority. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Custom mouthpiece from Curry was $86. Custom mouthpiece from another manufacturer that I talked to was $250. Those were the extremes. Another maker it was $150. From Curry I got exactly what I wanted for much less money. And the rim matched all my other mouthpieces. I think Curry is great. _________________ Richard
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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If that's the case, you'd think he'd hire someone to help - even a HS kid to do basic stuff for minimum wage.[/quote]
Yes. Completely agree.
It would be in Mark's advantage to get help, as customer service should be a priority.[/quote]
You have to be kidding. It's to his advantage to help a customer who bought his mouthpiece second hand? Explain that economically to me in dollars and cents, and I can show you a bankrupt company.
You guys simply aren't getting it. This is not a new sale, or consulting for a new sale. This is simply asking for information on an old piece that no longer is in the catalog. _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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trickg wrote: | Richard III wrote: | Imagine you are the guy in a one man operation. How often do you warm up the equipment? You are probably flooded with hundreds of emails. Pretty amazing that he can do what he does. |
If that's the case, you'd think he'd hire someone to help - even a HS kid to do basic stuff for minimum wage. |
Man, you know I think the world of you, but you have me perplexed and puzzled. A minimum wage high school kid is going to answer questions about a mouthpiece that isn't part of the line, and isn't in the literature available? Every time you add to the kid's required knowledge, you also add to the value of having the kid there, which will add cost. If I have to know all of "this" information to work at Curry, or I can flip burgers for the same wage, and I walk out the door at the end of the day at burger bros and forget it...which job are most kids going to choose? _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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trumpethead Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 444 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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I was making a blanket statement regarding customer service, NOT the case you've cited.
My opinion still apologetically stands as without happy customers, you've got NO business.
(BTW, I think Mark is great and his products exceptional.) |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Richard III wrote: | Custom mouthpiece from Curry was $86. Custom mouthpiece from another manufacturer that I talked to was $250. Those were the extremes. Another maker it was $150. From Curry I got exactly what I wanted for much less money. And the rim matched all my other mouthpieces. I think Curry is great. |
Exactly the point, friend! If Mark starts adding to the personel, the prices will go up.
I ordered a custom trombone piece for one of my students a few years ago. A Bach 5 rim with a shallower cup than the 5G of a Bach, and a few other minor alterations. Discussion was done via email, about three messages. Mouthpieces came (two or three to try), student liked two of them, kept and paid for them. Returned the third. The price was less than one custom ordered Bach with a special throat and backbore from the factory, and Mark was able to replicate it for two other students who like the mouthpiece the first student had and wanted one. That's service. _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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trumpethead wrote: | I was making a blanket statement regarding customer service, NOT the case you've cited.
My opinion still apologetically stands as without happy customers, you've got NO business.
(BTW, I think Mark is great and his products exceptional.) |
And a minimum wage hire is going to be able to do what to alleviate any of the issues cited? (Asking sincerely, since I do not see the advantage of a hire without significant knowledge in the field.) _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've read every word here. I honestly see no value to adding a minimum wage person with limited knowledge in a business like Mark's. If he adds someone, it should be someone who knows the product well enough that they can address questions without having to pull Mark away from work to do so.
If you call Monette (as I recently did), BJ answers the phone. In the past, Tom Raney or Jason have answered phones, and addressed questions. All have been and are Monette clients and players. All the guys that work at Monette (with few exceptions) are Monette players and musicians. They speak in the terminology and vocabulary of Monette, and that level of expertise makes the client (as Monette calls his customer base) more comfortable and well-informed on a potential purchase. I've always understood that kind of service at Monette is part of why his equipment is priced at a premium. If you call Schilke, for a long time it was Phil Baughman who answered those questions. If you call other custom makers, the fewer are the number of people in the inner realm, and therefore the guy behind the vision spends more and more time on the phone with clients. The trade-off of time to design and make vs. talking on the phone with clients costs money, drives up the cost of the product, and adds value to the purchase.
In the case of Mark, he fills all of those spots. If he hires outside folks to do the calls, to answer questions, they have to know the product, the line available, and to know when to turn the client over to Mark because the questions asked are above their "pay grade". That takes someone with more than just, "I'll take your number and have Mark call you." It takes someone with a working knowledge of the products, how it is made, and the potential alterations of that product. It takes a Mark Curry. It takes a David Monette. It takes help like BJ Cord, or Phil Baughman.
Not a $7.25 an hour kid off the streets.
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Let me add one other things: I mean none of this as a negative toward anyone here, Mark, or any other maker. I am interested in the perceptions of the board, even if I disagree with your ideas, they are important to me because that's how we all learn to appreciate differing viewpoints.
Please do not take my posts as attacking anyone negatively. If they come off that way, I sincerely apologize and hope this statement clarifies my "tone".
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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trumpethead Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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[quote -And a minimum wage hire is going to be able to do what to alleviate any of the issues cited? (Asking sincerely, since I do not see the advantage of a hire without significant knowledge in the field.)[/quote]
Absolutely!
As someone who's been in business for a long time, it's extremely important that potential/customers feel valued and heard, otherwise they WILL move on.
Even someone who responds to Emails/phone calls expressing that Mark is unable to answer their enquiries would go a long way.
Also, they could field responses from Mark and convey the message.
Keeping customers in the 'loop' is CRUCIAL to success. |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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trumpethead wrote: | [quote -And a minimum wage hire is going to be able to do what to alleviate any of the issues cited? (Asking sincerely, since I do not see the advantage of a hire without significant knowledge in the field.
Absolutely!
As someone who's been in business for a long time, it's extremely important that potential/customers feel valued and heard, otherwise they WILL move on.
Even someone who responds to Emails/phone calls expressing that Mark is unable to answer their enquiries would go a long way.
Also, they could field responses from Mark and convey the message.
Keeping customers in the 'loop' is CRUCIAL to success. |
Ok, I see your point. So let me ask further to be sure, some answer is better than no answer, and any answer, even if to simply say that information isn't available, is still a viable connection with the customer?
I am truly appreciating this discussion. _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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