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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:08 am    Post subject: Silent Brass Reply with quote

What do you guys think of the silent brass mute ??
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: Silent Brass Reply with quote

HockeyFan wrote:
What do you guys think of the silent brass mute ??


Im using it on a daily basis. My version is rather old - newer models smaller, lighter, freer blowing.
I see no direct disadvantages, other than that the extra resistance has to be watched out for but the newer models should be way better. On the other hand, carefully monitored this might enhance your stamina - in my experience that is.
Its a blessing to use since I can practice almost everywhere.
So expensive as it is, there are few alternatives. But they exist -
I vaguely remember some threads here on the topic. Heres a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Sd26f5VWgw
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used both versions for years. I've used them in an apartment up to 12;30 a.m. with no comments from neighbors. I swear by them.

I think it is best that you use it with the electronic feedback, mainly to avoid overblowing. If you use only the mute, watch your volume.


Regarding the difference between the two versions, I believe the intonation on the older version is a little better and the resistance and weight a little better on the newer. IMO there's been no significant difference in volume.

If you like, I've got the mute and electronic box in the original packing I will sell you at a big discount. If you're just curious this might be a way to go considering the price.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the newest model, SBX2, and am very pleased with it. It definitely keeps your playing private. I like the sound (using earphones) better than just using a practice mute. I wanted to get one for piccolo but I couldn't find it for sale. I reached out to Yamaha. Their reply suggested the original piccolo version wasn't a huge seller so they dropped it in their newest line up. I found one used online and it works well. However, I also had to buy the older "studio" part because the newest studio portion is not backward compatible with the original mutes.

The mutes do significantly increase back pressure. They can also alter intonation, the pic one more than the standard one.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a terrific tool for learning. Use the aux port to play along with a CD or YouTube and its like youve joined a band in your head.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone compared it to the Denis Wick practice mute, in term of loudness ?

(It is hard to realize the loudness on the videos)

Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience it's far quieter than the Denis wick, it's the main reason I bought it to be honest. The newer one also has the advantage of being small enough to store in the bell
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new YSB is quieter than any practice mute I've tried and that includes Wick, JoRal, Shhh, and Shastock.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used the older version back when I lived in an apartment. It worked, I also hated how it made the horn respond.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:

I think it is best that you use it with the electronic feedback, mainly to avoid overblowing. If you use only the mute, watch your volume.


This is probably the single most important line in this thread.

The biggest problem with using practice mutes regularly is that it's easy to get into a habit of overblowing and fighting it - the electronic feedback significantly reduces that temptation and for that alone, the silent brass (or bestbrass e-brass) are the only ones I could recommend for regular use in good conscience (even then, open practice would still be preferable, ideally).


So with respect to the Wick (which is awful in pretty much every single way) or any other standard practice mute... It's not just about pure decibel reduction given the same input into the horn - it's about how much noise you actually make whilst practicing and the ones with feedback will almost always win on that front
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HockeyFan, there's an article from the ITG Journal on practice mutes that is posted here. I can't find it right now, but maybe you can with a proper search. It's very helpful.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
The new YSB is quieter than any practice mute I've tried and that includes Wick, JoRal, Shhh, and Shastock.

PaddyW wrote:
In my experience it's far quieter than the Denis wick


Thanks for your answer. I think I should give a try.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think it's good for on the road, but wouldn't use it religiously.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to use it but it's kinda bulky with wires etc. I used to have a practice mute that used a stethoscope. No batteries..
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
Its a terrific tool for learning. Use the aux port to play along with a CD or YouTube and its like youve joined a band in your head.


I have had my SB7X for about 3 years. I use it when I travel, especially in hotel rooms for warmups and routine practice with Sennheiser in ear phones, no complaints from anyone, even Wife sitting nearby watching TV. I also use it at home on a regular basis to woodshed parts using my IPad and YouTube. Often, my Wife is very nearby as are my dogs with no complaints (Wife) or howling (Dogs) even when I play very high. Not overblowing is very easy by dialing my volume on Headphones, most of the time Bose Noise Canceling on the ear type, to blend with whatever accompaniment. I also use the Mute alone as a practice mute before and during rehearsals and occasionally during performances to keep my horn warm during extended rests. Great product!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TKSop wrote:
kehaulani wrote:

I think it is best that you use it with the electronic feedback, mainly to avoid overblowing. If you use only the mute, watch your volume.


This is probably the single most important line in this thread.

The biggest problem with using practice mutes regularly is that it's easy to get into a habit of overblowing and fighting it - the electronic feedback significantly reduces that temptation and for that alone, the silent brass (or bestbrass e-brass) are the only ones I could recommend for regular use in good conscience (even then, open practice would still be preferable, ideally).


So with respect to the Wick (which is awful in pretty much every single way) or any other standard practice mute... It's not just about pure decibel reduction given the same input into the horn - it's about how much noise you actually make whilst practicing and the ones with feedback will almost always win on that front


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
Its a terrific tool for learning. Use the aux port to play along with a CD or YouTube and its like youve joined a band in your head.


I plug the computer/ipad's headphone jack to the aux. That way, I can watch History-Channel while warming up without disturbing anyone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can the Silent Brass system be used to record your trumpet? Like an aux. output that could be plugged into the input of an audio interface or a DAW?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldHorn wrote:
Can the Silent Brass system be used to record your trumpet? Like an aux. output that could be plugged into the input of an audio interface or a DAW?

It can, but I hear it sounds lousy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.facebook.com/Ellmans1958/videos/10155962650057366/

I think this is a great practice mute!!! Best I have found anywhere.[/youtube]
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