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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12662 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:52 pm Post subject: Would you eat them in a car? |
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In a recent post another member posited that a seller of a horn would do better to sell on eBay instead of our marketplace because the seller didn't "meet any requirements to sell on a forum."
Without debating that point, nor debating whether or not I am a jerk, I would like to ask the membership how they feel about purchasing from eBay and the marketplace.
Would you buy from a newbie who posts in the forums the intent to sell, but hasn't yet put it in the marketplace?
Would you still buy if they didn't have more than a couple of posts?
Would you buy a horn in the marketplace over eBay? Always? or never?
What if the seller had five inane posts? Or the seller had five in depth posts clearly showing they were a "for real" seller?
What if the seller on eBay was a first time seller and the marketplace was a five inane post seller? |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Well The rules to state we can not sell in the forums and only in the market place. We are required a certain number of posts to sell in the marketplace.
Now for me personally I purchase from reputable sellers. I dont come to the forums to buy and sell horns or equipment. I come here to contribute and to learn. If I were in the market or saw something that I truly wanted that was on the forum I would be more likely to purchase it from someone with a good reputation in the community than from someone that just joined and made quick minimum of posts just to sell. This is not what the forums were set up for thus why I would be more likely to use a seasoned respected member of the community over a minimum poster.
I am a member of Audio and other communities that the requirements are much higher to post sale threads for just the reasons as they want people to stick around and contribute, not just go there to sell and leave. They put a minimum of 30 day if not 3 months and a lot more posts and they have to be substantial posts. But this is just me. I do shop on Ebay and amazon quite frequently. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12662 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I highly suspect that some people are able to sell by just posting in the forums. Either by directly posting and selling before the moderators correct the forum, or by stating intent to sell and asking the value of their instrument.
I really don't care, except I don't want the forums cluttered with for sale items. |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Well hopefully more will chime in. Wish I could find the last discusion. |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2596
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:46 am Post subject: |
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chef8489 wrote: | Well The rules to state we can not sell in the forums |
A rule from what I've seen the mods ignore for some. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2596
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:04 am Post subject: Re: Would you eat them in a car? |
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LittleRusty wrote: | Without debating that point, nor debating whether or not I am a jerk, I would like to ask the membership how they feel about purchasing from eBay and the marketplace. |
To date haven't bought anything from the marketplace here. Presumably people have transactions that take place with no problem. I run across a lot of stories of negative experiences.
The marketplace is like an ad in a newspaper or on Craigslist. With Ebay you have buyer protections in place, you can see what a seller's track record is. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:06 am Post subject: |
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I’ve bought and sold in the marketplace and to date have had zero problems, realizing there are no guarantees. I don’t believe I have bought anything from a new “five inane posts” person, and probably would not.
The only ebay horn I have bought was at least somewhat misrepresented by the seller, it was considerably older than he indicated, was internally FILTHY, had two stuck amados and arrived rattling around in a cardboard Fedex box with very minimal bubble wrap. He apparently dropped it off at a Fedex office and paid for them to “pack it.” Luckily there was no damage, but the seller had assured me that he would pack it himself with “plenty of bubble wrap.”
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Would you eat them in a car? |
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Robert P wrote: | ....
The marketplace is like an ad in a newspaper or on Craigslist. With Ebay you have buyer protections in place, you can see what a seller's track record is. |
I completely disagree with the CL comparison, UNLESS you buy from someone in the marketplace with the “five inane posts.” That is not intended to mean that someone with the minimum amount of posts is necessarily going to misrepresent anything, I just think the odds are higher.
Brad |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9021 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Is this a bait-and-switch post? What does this have to do with eating something in a car? Did I miss something? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Robert P wrote: | chef8489 wrote: | Well The rules to state we can not sell in the forums |
A rule from what I've seen the mods ignore for some. |
True.
Brad |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:19 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Is this a bait-and-switch post? What does this have to do with eating something in a car? Did I miss something? |
Sort of wondered about the thread title also.🤔
Brad |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | Is this a bait-and-switch post? What does this have to do with eating something in a car? Did I miss something? |
Sort of wondered about the thread title also.🤔
Brad |
Think Dr. Seuss |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9021 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | Is this a bait-and-switch post? What does this have to do with eating something in a car? Did I miss something? |
Sort of wondered about the thread title also.🤔
Brad |
Think Dr. Seuss |
Haven't done Dr. Seuss in forty years.
Thanks, though. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12662 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:24 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Jerry wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | Is this a bait-and-switch post? What does this have to do with eating something in a car? Did I miss something? |
Sort of wondered about the thread title also.🤔
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Think Dr. Seuss |
Haven't done Dr. Seuss in forty years.
Thanks, though. |
Yup, Dr. Suess. All of the “Would you...” questions I posed reminded me of the stories I read my kids twenty years ago. |
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 8951 Location: Monument, CO
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Robert P wrote: | chef8489 wrote: | Well The rules to state we can not sell in the forums |
A rule from what I've seen the mods ignore for some. |
Commercial entities are generally allowed to post announcements of sales and such as long as it is not "excessive" (i.e. a bunch of threads spammed everywhere; we encourage them to simply create one and add to it). That includes small businesses (that may be one person). Feel free to not read any such threads.
Individual sales are not allowed, and a commercial company selling a single item is usually pulled as well (we usually frown on "we have one of those in stock" type posts though undoubtedly some slip through; a PM is appropriate in that case from the store to the poster).
If you see a suspicious post, PM the Moderators. All have lives and jobs outside TH so some things may not be caught. _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 554
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Would you eat them in a car?
Would you eat them in a bar?
Would you post and post and post?
Or complain about the host?
Would you post upon the thread?
Or ponder it in your head?
What kind of posts are legit?
Or length to make them fit? _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Would you eat them in a car?
Would you eat them in a bar?
Would you post and post and post?
Or complain about the host?
Would you post upon the thread?
Or ponder it in your head?
What kind of posts are legit?
Or length to make them fit? |
Nice. That's poetry that I can relate to.
Warm regards,
Grits _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2596
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Would you eat them in a car? |
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Brad361 wrote: | Robert P wrote: | ....
The marketplace is like an ad in a newspaper or on Craigslist. With Ebay you have buyer protections in place, you can see what a seller's track record is. |
I completely disagree with the CL comparison, UNLESS you buy from someone in the marketplace with the “five inane posts.” That is not intended to mean that someone with the minimum amount of posts is necessarily going to misrepresent anything, I just think the odds are higher.
Brad |
I gather some of the people on here know each other personally, I don't know anyone on here well enough to vouch for their character. How someone presents themselves online can fool you. Thinking of one particular online acquaintance - not this forum. Seemed affable, well-spoken. He was a Wikipedia moderator. He was married, had kids, even had a public presence. Ended up going to prison for child molesting - which accounted for his sudden absence online. I only found out because someone else somehow got the scoop on what happened.
I don't see the marketplace as a lot different than CL. Probably like CL a lot of people are legit, but like CL it's simply a hosting service, you still have -0- buyer protection from this site.
With your shoddily packed and misrepresented Ebay purchase if you really felt it was bogus you could have filed a "significantly not as described" report which has teeth. A couple of times I've negotiated for something to be knocked off the item because while not a complete scam, the items definitely had undisclosed issues. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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ghelbig Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 May 2011 Posts: 908 Location: Reno, NV
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Would you eat them in a car? |
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LittleRusty wrote: | What if the seller had five inane posts? |
Five inane posts, and re-posts their ads every day so they stay at the top?
Or five inane posts and uses juvenile slang in their ads?
Or five inane posts and demonstrates a lack of knowledge in their ads?
We've got 'em all now. Whoopee!
Gary. |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Don Herman rev2 wrote: | Robert P wrote: | chef8489 wrote: | Well The rules to state we can not sell in the forums |
A rule from what I've seen the mods ignore for some. |
Commercial entities are generally allowed to post announcements of sales and such as long as it is not "excessive" (i.e. a bunch of threads spammed everywhere; we encourage them to simply create one and add to it). That includes small businesses (that may be one person). Feel free to not read any such threads.
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In other words as I accurately stated the seemingly unambiguous "Please Don't Sell or Trade Instruments in the Forums" is ignored for some individuals. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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