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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:01 am Post subject: 'Roids and range |
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In another thread someone mentioned steroids. Has anyone seeing this ever known someone to enhance - or try to enhance their range with PED's? Many trumpet players being the way they are it wouldn't surprise me if someone has tried it.
I never thought of it as a necessity to play high. Obviously some players are brawnier than others but a lot of those who can play high aren't big bruisers. Maynard was a beanpole in his youth. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Paladin53 Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Your asking for a friend, right? |
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jiarby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Listen To Liesl Whitacker ans ask again... |
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Mike Sailors Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Trumpet Herald has jumped the shark. _________________ www.mikesailors.com |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Sailors wrote: | Trumpet Herald has jumped the shark. |
Ha! 🦈 😄
Brad |
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RussellDDixon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Lynn Nicholson
Brian MacDonald
Liesl Whitaker
Elizabeth Schneller - http://www.yamaha.com/artists/elizabethschneller.html
All thin and all have a great high range. _________________ Schilke X3 Bb trumpet
Yamaha 631g Flugelhorn
Lynn Nicholson Model Monette Prana XLT mouthpiece
Kanstul Claude Gordon Personal mouthpiece |
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Morogan Regular Member
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Good heavens... I thought this was going to be a thread about hemorrhoids and straining during compression. (And no, I'm not joking; this was an issue with a friend of mine.) _________________ My Gear |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Morogan wrote: | Good heavens... I thought this was going to be a thread about hemorrhoids and straining during compression. (And no, I'm not joking; this was an issue with a friend of mine.) | Me, too. Guess not all 'roids are equal. |
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Nevermind _________________ Bill Bergren |
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EBjazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2001 Posts: 2368 Location: SF Bay Area
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Guess you guys missed this article a few years ago:
From Reuters news service San Bernadino County Sun http://www.sbsun.com/
TRUMPET STAR ADMITS ILLEGAL DRUG USE
AP network1452/ 5/29/02 artSBSUN47/
After years of speculation that some of the music world's top high note
trumpet artists or lead players were using illegal range-building drugs, a
former Stan Kenton lead trumpet disclosed that he used steroids.
Sid (The Hat) Febreschi, a veteran of the big bands, nightclubs, and
Broadway musicals became the first trumpet player to publicly acknowledge
using performance enhancing drugs.
In an article that will appear in the upcoming issue of Jazziz magazine,
Febreschi stated that he began taking the illegal, range-enhancing drug in
1972, when he was lead trumpet with the legendary band leader, Stan Kenton.
"It's no secret what's going on out there" Febreschi said. "Most if not all
the high note players juice up. It's part of what's happening. They joke and
talk about it at dinner."
"There's money in playing high," Febreschi continued, "If I don't do it,
some young juiced-up punk is gonna' just come in and take my place."
Current Las Vegas lead trumpeter Dan Smiley says "I played with Sid for over
ten years. He was never one to hide anything. He was using 'roids all the
time we played together. It's not a big deal, though. Everybody does it.
Hell, I haven't worked out of Schlossburg since the Nixon administration."
Dr. Roger Boughton of Maryland State Medical School has studied the
fascination that the world has for high note trumpet artists. "When one
hears the soaring sound of Maynard Ferguson, one is taken back to a time
when music was pure and troubles were few. Due to this phenomena, there has
been an unnatural demand placed on the lead trumpet player. The modern lead
trumpet player is now expected to have a loud "G", which twenty years ago
was limited to a fortunate few."
The effects of steroid use vary from player to player, but Febreschi at 60
swears by them. "Hell, look at Doc and Maynard. These guys are well into
their 70's and they peal the paint off your shiny new car there sonny."
To read this article in it's entirety click on
http://www.sbsun.com/news/articles/0502/29/new123.asp _________________ Eric Bolvin
http://bolvinmusic.com/product/the-modern-jazz-trumpet-method/
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:06 am Post subject: |
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EBjazz wrote: |
Hell, I haven't worked out of Schlossburg since the Nixon administration." |
LOL _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
Yamaha 8310Z flugel
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trickg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:37 am Post subject: |
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I'm just waiting for the posts talking about being muscle bound, and how detrimental anabolic steroids are to your health.
Most people know very little about steroids, what they do, and what's considered proper use, and what's considered abuse. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Mike Sailors wrote: | Trumpet Herald has jumped the shark. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Eric posted an interesting article. I suppose that a PED could be any substance that is misused in order to enhance performance. So, the list might be broader than just anabolic steroids. And not all of the substances would necessarily be illicit. For a trumpet player, it might also include catabolic steroids, beta blockers, amphetamines, benzodiazepines, antihistamines, nsaids, lip balms, alcohol, and psychoactive substances.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Oldpipesandchops New Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Huh... can't believe folks would risk their long term health for a few high notes... crazy... |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Oldpipesandchops wrote: | Huh... can't believe folks would risk their long term health for a few high notes... crazy... |
Aaaaand here we are with the first person who seems to think that taking any kind of steroids leads to long-term health issues. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
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tanda Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:47 am Post subject: |
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TrumpetMD wrote: | Eric posted an interesting article. I suppose that a PED could be any substance that is misused in order to enhance performance. So, the list might be broader than just anabolic steroids. And not all of the substances would necessarily be illicit. For a trumpet player, it might also include catabolic steroids, beta blockers, amphetamines, benzodiazepines, antihistamines, nsaids, lip balms, alcohol, and psychoactive substances.
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I really hate when drugs like beta blockers are referred to as "performance enhancing". We equate steroids with providing gains that would otherwise not be achievable naturally. Beta blockers don't do that. They don't help you play higher, faster or louder. They do help you to play to the best of your natural ability in a high stress situation.
If I'm paying big bucks to see a show and the performers can provide a top level performance on beta blockers then that's money well spent to me. I'm not gonna listen to missed notes and nerve related bull**** because "beta blockers are performance enhancing" |
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Jabroni Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:05 pm Post subject: ooohhh Yea |
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I injected a d ball cycle into my lips. I bench 345, squat 500 and deadlift 525.
I play triple C all night every night.
This is the worst thread on TH ever. |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: ooohhh Yea |
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Jabroni wrote: |
This is the worst thread on TH ever. |
All this thread needs is Capt. Kirk posting an insane, poorly informed, 6,000-word rant about different types of steroids and it would certainly be a contender. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
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jscahoy Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a post-shark-jump poll question: If there was a drug that would give you Maynard/Doc/Chase range, but would kill you in ten years, would you take it?
Depending on the population being asked, I'd guess the Yes votes would approach 50%. |
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