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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:06 am    Post subject: X-13 Reply with quote

Do you think the X-13 would work well in a big band and blend in with other horns (Bach, Yamaha etc.)? Some owners have said the horn is dark and only good for small group or solo playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:12 am    Post subject: X-13 Reply with quote

It is not a dark horn at all, and people often think it’s heavy. It is a very light horn and to me is fairly mouthpiece specific. I’ve played it in groups and it blends very well. I’ve heard some say it plays cornet-like, however I don’t own a cornet so I can’t speak to that.

To me, it’s the easiest horn I’ve played.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not a dark sounding horn. I can be if you want, but it’s a versatile horn that can be used for just about anything.

I really enjoyed mine while I had it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The X-13 is definitely not a "dark" horn, and projection is fine for section work. The feedback is different than, say a Bach 18037 or Yamaha 8335, but it shouldn't take long to adjust.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:28 am    Post subject: X-13 Reply with quote

How is the feedback different on the X-13 as compared to other horns? Do you need to play a more shallow mouthpiece to get it to project?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How is the feedback different on the X-13 as compared to other horns? Do you need to play a more shallow mouthpiece to get it to project?


I'm not sure I can describe it well or accurately, but it is like more of the sound is traveling away from you and you are losing less energy around you in the form of feedback. Just requires some minor adjusting.

I was not using a shallow mouthpiece at the time I had the X-13. I believe I was mainly playing a Monette B2M S3 or a B4 S3. No problem with projection.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: X-13 Reply with quote

bebop wrote:
How is the feedback different on the X-13 as compared to other horns? Do you need to play a more shallow mouthpiece to get it to project?
I don't think you need to adjust to any differences in "feedback." The only time I would say feedback felt weird to me was playing very heavy trumpets where the sound goes straight out front through the bell, because the added mass doesn't vibrate as freely. X-13 vibrates in your hands and feels good like any other medium lightweight trumpet. Mouthpiece is personal preference entirely. I like using a C cup with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:54 am    Post subject: Re: X-13 Reply with quote

bebop wrote:
How is the feedback different on the X-13 as compared to other horns? Do you need to play a more shallow mouthpiece to get it to project?


My 2 cents. The X-13 have a "spread" sound and it projects very well but if you're looking for a "laser-beam" kind of projection this is not the horn to choose. It works very well in section but you have to be careful if you play 3/4th chair because because is so full and powerful that can overpower other trumpets.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: X-13 Reply with quote

bebop wrote:
How is the feedback different on the X-13 as compared to other horns? Do you need to play a more shallow mouthpiece to get it to project?


The horn sounds louder to your ear since the bell is a bit closer to your face.
I never had issues with projection. It worked fine for what I do.

I use a large mouthpiece for what it’s worth.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: X-13 Reply with quote

vwag wrote:
It is not a dark horn at all, and people often think it’s heavy. It is a very light horn and to me is fairly mouthpiece specific. I’ve played it in groups and it blends very well. I’ve heard some say it plays cornet-like, however I don’t own a cornet so I can’t speak to that.


So, in a nutshell, does the X-13 horn has a fast tapered bell or a slow tapered bell?
Does it have a 72-ish bell or a 37-ish bell?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: X-13 Reply with quote

Manuel de los Campos wrote:
vwag wrote:
It is not a dark horn at all, and people often think it’s heavy. It is a very light horn and to me is fairly mouthpiece specific. I’ve played it in groups and it blends very well. I’ve heard some say it plays cornet-like, however I don’t own a cornet so I can’t speak to that.


So, in a nutshell, does the X-13 horn has a fast tapered bell or a slow tapered bell?
Does it have a 72-ish bell or a 37-ish bell?


It's probably a little faster than a 72 bell. Not slow like a 37.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The X-13 bell is a faster taper, similar to a 72 bell but with a larger 5" flare. However, I would caution against getting too focused on any one design aspect of any trumpet and using that to "guess" what it will play like. Remember, a trumpet is the sum of all parts working together to create the finished product. What works on one design may have a very different result on another.

Look at the 900DLX for example. Most players would associate a copper bell with a darker, warmer sound. I don't think anyone with first hand experience would describe the 900DLX as either dark or warm.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getzen wrote:


Look at the 900DLX for example. Most players would associate a copper bell with a darker, warmer sound. I don't think anyone with first hand experience would describe the 900DLX as either dark or warm.


The shape of the bell dictates the sound, the material adds that something 'extra' to it

For example, a flugelhorn with a yellow brass bell will never sound as bright as a trumpet with a yellow brass bell, however, the same flugelhorn with a copper bell will sound darker then the first
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a X13 and can say it is the easiest free blowing instrument I've ever played. Its light but I think because the bore is a large bore with spread bell ( but feels like a ML easy to blow) it gives it a more teutonic dark but still lights up sound. It's really a responsive horn. It has a great sound and it's hard to explain how unencumbered the playability is. There is no barrier or restriction. It blows itself.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the Edwards X-13 project well without a microphone? I would be interested in using it as my all-around Bb for brass quintet / brass ensemble playing a variety of musical types.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does the Edwards X-13 project well without a microphone? I would be interested in using it as my all-around Bb for brass quintet / brass ensemble playing a variety of musical types.


Mine worked great for quintets and brass choirs. No issues with projection.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it from the response that it blended well in a legit setting? I’ve been thinking hard for some time about getting one, but for the price it would definitely need to serve as an all around horn. I doubt it would work well in an orchestra setting, but I don’t play in one and you’d really need to play mostly C trumpet anyway. I’d need it to serve me well in combo, big band and concert band.

I also noted that a description on the Austin Custom Brass cite described it as a great lead and commercial horn. I tend to think of it as leaning more toward the soloist, dark and smokey end of the spectrum.
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I also noted that a description on the Austin Custom Brass cite described it as a great lead and commercial horn. I tend to think of it as leaning more toward the soloist, dark and smokey end of the spectrum.


The X-13 offers a big, full sound, but leans more toward the bright end of the spectrum.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2023 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, good to know. That’s how it sounds to me in recordings as well but I feel like I’ve heard people describe it as dark. But perhaps that’s my mind translating “big, full sound” that way, which I recognize is not what it means.
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