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Louise Finch
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| Anthony Miller wrote: | Yes I do use different strength than for reading a book. I took my Cornet and lyre into Dunelm and found which strength reading glasses I needed.
3.5 strength is just right for lyre reading but nothing else.
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Hi Anthony Miller
Thanks very much for the clarification. Without meaning to be nosey, if you are using 3.5 for a lyre, I'm guessing that you are using less, maybe 3.0 for reading.
The consensus seems to be that lyre distance is less than most people's reading distance. Since at almost 44, I'm a bit borderline for seeing quite as close as typical reading distance, so no wonder the lyre is too close for the music to be in focus. I can read it, but the focus is not sufficient for me to feel comfortable.
It seems to be that the most sensible solution is to to alter a lyre like Dale has done, to move the distance to at least your normal reading distance, to avoid needing a separate pair of glasses just for reading from a lyre.
I think that I'll try to avoid lyres like the plague.
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | I bought a long, straight lyre (for a tuba, I believe, and custom bent it to fit the cornet to move the book farther from my face. A little odd looking, but it worked pretty well. A stand is better if you're not moving around, though. |
Hi Dale
Sounds a great idea. Thanks very much for sharing. Yes, a stand is a much better idea, especially as I have no intention of moving around.
Regarding moving around, if someone is wearing glasses stronger than reading glasses to see the music on the lyre, wouldn't that give them horrible vision for marching with a lyre? Sounds like an optician's nightmare. I suppose that people who march are generally younger.
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| Louise Finch wrote: | Regarding moving around, if someone is wearing glasses stronger than reading glasses to see the music on the lyre, wouldn't that give them horrible vision for marching with a lyre? Sounds like an optician's nightmare. I suppose that people who march are generally younger.
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This would be an instance to use half glasses that you wear lower on your nose. That way you can look over the glasses to see if the elephant in the parade in front of you left a land mine.  
(in my high school marching days we were told that we were never allowed to break our lines, even if an animal in front had left a land mine) |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | Louise Finch wrote: | Regarding moving around, if someone is wearing glasses stronger than reading glasses to see the music on the lyre, wouldn't that give them horrible vision for marching with a lyre? Sounds like an optician's nightmare. I suppose that people who march are generally younger.
Take care
Lou |
This would be an instance to use half glasses that you wear lower on your nose. That way you can look over the glasses to see if the elephant in the parade in front of you left a land mine.
(in my high school marching days we were told that we were never allowed to break our lines, even if an animal in front had left a land mine) |
Our band director pitched a fit the one time our band was placed behind the animals.
We were at liberty to NOT step in an unpleasant place. |
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| Louise Finch wrote: |
The glasses will not be suitable for pretty much anything else, including pesky things like "where's my cup mute ?"
I can see a music stand fine with my distance glasses, it is just the lyre that is difficult. Luckily I've managed to avoid the lyre for carol playing this year. I think that I will talk to my optician next time this becomes an issue.
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Your distance glasses may be just fine, but I meant if you are wearing your lyre glasses, you will probably be unable to function at any other distances if they are very strong. You certainly won't be safe to walk around with them on.
That's the other challenge you may face - not being able to clearly see the director/conductor. Another boost for mono-vision, if you can manage it.
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I have astigmatism in one eye and my eyesight is getting worse for reading. Three years ago I switched to varifocals and had the middle distance set for a normal music stand. The bottom is set for normal reading and just about works with a cornet lyre, but it is not ideal really. The middle range is fine if I am using my own stand. If i have to look to a stand on my right I can only read the left hand page!
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | Louise Finch wrote: | Regarding moving around, if someone is wearing glasses stronger than reading glasses to see the music on the lyre, wouldn't that give them horrible vision for marching with a lyre? Sounds like an optician's nightmare. I suppose that people who march are generally younger.
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This would be an instance to use half glasses that you wear lower on your nose. That way you can look over the glasses to see if the elephant in the parade in front of you left a land mine.
Hi LittleRusty
Thank you very much, but although I'm not remotely vain, I couldn't bring myself to wear half moon glasses lower down my nose, and I don't think they would work anyhow, as at least with my lyre, you have to look upwards anyhow.
Thanks very much however for your suggestion.
(in my high school marching days we were told that we were never allowed to break our lines, even if an animal in front had left a land mine)
Lovely lol.
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Hi Guys
Thanks very much for your replies, I'll reply to everyone else tomorrow, got to go out now. Guess why? Yep, carols, but not with a lyre lol.
Best wishes
Lou
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Hi pinstriper
Sorry, I have only just got round to replying.
Your distance glasses may be just fine, but I meant if you are wearing your lyre glasses, you will probably be unable to function at any other distances if they are very strong. You certainly won't be safe to walk around with them on.
That's the other challenge you may face - not being able to clearly see the director/conductor. Another boost for mono-vision, if you can manage it.
Thanks very much. My optician said in June that she could give me another +0.25 for reading, but I didn't see the point in getting a separate pair of glasses only +0.25 stronger than my everyday glasses. I'd therefore imagine that I'd need only +0.50 or maybe +0.75 over my distance prescription for lyre distance, so I don't think that I would have any difficulties walking around.
I however wouldn't want to not see the conductor clearly. In fact if I take my glasses off for any reason whilst at bands/orchestras, even though I have long sighted astigmatism, it is the conductor not looking quite in focus which bothers me more than the music being slightly out of focus. I'm not sure whether this is because my astigmatism is more apparent at middle distance, or that since I also have convergence insufficiency, I never see the music overly clearly anyhow, whereas I am used to seeing the conductor in focus with my glasses. Whatever reason, when I start to need an intermediate add for music, rightly or wrongly I'll probably look into other options first before single vision music glasses.
I don't think I would ever fancy mono-vision at a later date.
Thanks very much again.
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| GordonH wrote: | I have astigmatism in one eye and my eyesight is getting worse for reading.
Hi GordonH
I have a small amount of astigmatism in both eyes, and it is surprising how much it affects my vision and causes eye strain. My eyesight is not too great for reading either, mainly because I have convergence insufficiency and an eye tracking condition, but my near point of focus has also started moving outwards owing to being 44.
Three years ago I switched to varifocals and had the middle distance set for a normal music stand. The bottom is set for normal reading and just about works with a cornet lyre, but it is not ideal really. The middle range is fine if I am using my own stand. If i have to look to a stand on my right I can only read the left hand page!
That it a nuisance, but from what others say to me, I think that you are doing pretty well being able to read music with varifocals, as my husband and most of my colleagues who wear varifocals, have to switch to separate music glasses owing to there being an insufficient intermediate area, and soft focus to the sides of the intermediate corridor. My husband personally wears occupational varifocals for the computer and music, to give himself a little more distance vision than with single vision music glasses, which he obtained from an optician specialising in varifocals. Maybe you got yours from such an optician, hence your success with them.
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Thanks very much.
Best wishes
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| Louise Finch wrote: | | Anthony Miller wrote: | | I use 3.5 reading glasses to read from the Cornet lyre. I have them on a glasses cord around my neck. When we move on after a couple of carols I use my normal specs to see for walking which go in my pocket when I’m playing. It’s a bit of a faff but works ok. Head-torches, sub-zero temps and specs make for an interesting playing experience to say the least! |
Hi Anthony Miller
Thanks very much. Are you saying that you use different strength glasses than for say reading a book? I don't tend to read particularly close anyhow owing to having convergence insufficiency, so I'm not sure what most people would consider to be reading distance. |
I have 2 different sorts of glasses - one for driving, and one with the focus set at 29 inches for computer work and music stands. The latter are VERY helpful. and a lot of the folks I work with (all over 40, usually) are asking their opticians to get something similar.
Being more naturally near sighted (centuries of reading has established my set point), anything as close as a cornet lyre would normally be in focus for me, though it would be nice to have zero-prescription lenses with just an astigmatism correction, but that's a bit of a cost, so...
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Hi dershem
I have 2 different sorts of glasses - one for driving, and one with the focus set at 29 inches for computer work and music stands.
My husband has the same, well sort of, actually his computer/music pair are occupational varifocals, to give him some distance vision for seeing the conductor in a large orchestra.
The latter are VERY helpful. and a lot of the folks I work with (all over 40, usually) are asking their opticians to get something similar.
I can fully understand why. At the moment, my distance prescription is fine for music and the computer.
Being more naturally near sighted (centuries of reading has established my set point), anything as close as a cornet lyre would normally be in focus for me, though it would be nice to have zero-prescription lenses with just an astigmatism correction, but that's a bit of a cost, so...
I fully understand. I was talking to a colleague who is in the same situation as you, distance glasses, music glasses and no glasses for lyre distance (my husband also takes off his glasses for reading, but he has to hold things very close, possibly even closer than lyre distance). I have long-sighted astigmatism, and can't see any closer than around 15 inches, so you can see why a cornet lyre poses a problem for me. It is probably a case of my near point moving out owing to be 44 next week, but lyre distance being even closer than reading distance is hardly helpful.
Thanks very much again.
Best wishes
Lou.
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| Louise Finch wrote: | | dershem wrote: |
Hi dershem
Hello.
I have 2 different sorts of glasses - one for driving, and one with the focus set at 29 inches for computer work and music stands.
My husband has the same, well sort of, actually his computer/music pair are occupational varifocals, to give him some distance vision for seeing the conductor in a large orchestra.
Wait ... people actuallylook at the conductor??? 
Being more naturally near sighted (centuries of reading has established my set point), anything as close as a cornet lyre would normally be in focus for me, though it would be nice to have zero-prescription lenses with just an astigmatism correction, but that's a bit of a cost, so...
I fully understand. I was talking to a colleague who is in the same situation as you, distance glasses, music glasses and no glasses for lyre distance (my husband also takes off his glasses for reading, but he has to hold things very close, possibly even closer than lyre distance). I have long-sighted astigmatism, and can't see any closer than around 15 inches, so you can see why a cornet lyre poses a problem for me. It is probably a case of my near point moving out owing to be 44 next week, but lyre distance being even closer than reading distance is hardly helpful.
Thanks very much again.
Best wishes
Lou.
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Best of luck with that. Have you talked to your eye doctor about exactly what distance you need help with? Mine had no clue when I first told him about it. Getting something for very close work, should be possible.
I hope it works out!
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Hi Carl
Best of luck with that.
Thanks very much.
Have you talked to your eye doctor about exactly what distance you need help with? Mine had no clue when I first told him about it. Getting something for very close work, should be possible.
No, I haven't talked to my eye doctor about it. I managed to avoid the lyre this Christmas. If it comes up again next year, I will visit my eye doctor and discuss it. When I last saw her in June, she was pretty happy with my close vision with my distance prescription and said although she could prescribe me a separate reading prescription with a +0.25 add, she didn't feel that there was much point at this stage, and that this was something to leave until necessary.
I hope it works out!
Thanks very much. It has for now, now that the possibility of needing to use a lyre is over for another year. I think that this is something to discuss with my eye doctor, when I need a reading add for normal reading distance
Carl
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Hi
As an update to this, one of my children had a routine eye appointment yesterday, and when I was booking them in, I asked whether my Optician would have a few moments after my daughter's appointment, to discuss a few concerns with me.
Anyway, I asked her about this, and she had a quick look at my near vision, and said that it is still ok although after having just turned 44, I need to accept that I will need a reading add at some point in the not too distance future. She diagnosed that my reduced near point of focus is caused by my reduced near point of convergence owing to having convergence insufficiency, and it will be a case of starting my eye exercises again if I want to read at this close distance.
At least I know what I need to do if I want to use a lyre. The good news was that there are no signs of my youngest having inherited either my convergence insufficiency or other eye tracking disorder, both which are apparently genetic, although neither of my parents have been diagnosed with either, and I'm not aware of any other relatives having these specific eye conditions, although they may have. My family history is a bit vague owing to my mum having been fostered from a young age, and my Dad's family being spread out within the British Isles and abroad, and us not seeing each other very much.
All the best
Lou
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