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Hey Gary. I always took it that those 2 exercise were meant to be played 2 ways. Slurred and legato tongued. So you play it once slurred, rest as long as you played and, then, repeat legato tongued. All the very best, Lex
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This may be splitting hairs a bit too.
Number 23 "use regular standard fingerings when necessary".
Then six more times follows the example of number 23.
Does this mean to use normal fingering only on those notes not in the harmonic series for that finger combination? Seems that would be assumed without saying.
Or, for example, the top space G measure five fingered open, not 1&3?
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ljazztrm
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Hey Floyd, I take it to mean 'use regular fingerings only when necessary'. So, like on ex.23 measure 5, I use 1&3 on the top space 'G' because it isn't necessary for me to use the regular fingering.
It's always been my understanding that using the harmonic fingerings on lip slurs whenever possible gives more benefit since you are 'working out' the 'air-to-chops coordination' more than if you are pressing down a valve.
Hope this helps! All the very best, Lex
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Guys, I should mention that that one-page plan looks impressive enough that I printed out the photos of a photo of a ... and typed it out in Notepad for myself, and it will be used with the copy of Schlossberg that I've got coming in the mail. 
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| 1jazzyalex wrote: | | Guys, I should mention that that one-page plan looks impressive enough that I printed out the photos of a photo of a ... and typed it out in Notepad for myself, and it will be used with the copy of Schlossberg that I've got coming in the mail. |
Good luck, and enjoy! Cheers
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| ljazztrm wrote: | | Hey Gary. I always took it that those 2 exercise were meant to be played 2 ways. Slurred and legato tongued. So you play it once slurred, rest as long as you played and, then, repeat legato tongued. All the very best, Lex |
Hey Lex,
Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense when I look at the book.
Gary. |
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| ljazztrm wrote: | Hey Floyd, I take it to mean 'use regular fingerings only when necessary'. So, like on ex.23 measure 5, I use 1&3 on the top space 'G' because it isn't necessary for me to use the regular fingering.
It's always been my understanding that using the harmonic fingerings on lip slurs whenever possible gives more benefit since you are 'working out' the 'air-to-chops coordination' more than if you are pressing down a valve.
Hope this helps! All the very best, Lex |
This. I was always taught that the idea was blow through the harmonic series for the 7 valve combinations. So, one would only deviate from the current valve combination only when required.
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The best advice I got here was from Rusty Russell. He called it his 19/30s exercise.
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The best advice I got here was from Rusty Russell. He called it his 19/30s exercise.
care to explain further ? |
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homecookin
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| mike ansberry wrote: | | The best advice I got here was from Rusty Russell. He called it his 19/30s exercise. |
19/30's...
Nothing new about LONG TONES , which is exactly what they are.
If memory serves, I believe he even said so in his initial post
about 19/30s.
But I'm glad that you found them helpful because LONG TONES
are extremely beneficial. |
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| homecookin wrote: | | Nothing new about LONG TONES , which is exactly what they are. If memory serves, I believe he even said so in his initial post . . |
That's the way I read it. Must've missed something.
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Yep it's just a catchy name for long tones ... try to do the basic 19 notes for 30 seconds at least, so .. 1930's.
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It's all about the WAY you play the long tones. Starting with no facial tension. Let you cheeks puff out. Let air pockets get under you lips. The point is to learn to play trumpet using the least amount of muscle tension possible. If you are a person who struggles with endurance this is for you. If you have no endurance problems then you are probably already playing this way.
The articles are long. Did you read the whole thing?
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| Quote: | 19/30's...
Nothing new about LONG TONES , which is exactly what they are.
If memory serves, I believe he even said so in his initial post
about 19/30s.
But I'm glad that you found them helpful because LONG TONES
are extremely beneficial. |
Yarp, that’s true homebaking, but I consider the 19/30’s to be a special long tone exercise because it really focuses on relaxation.. Really simple way to get tension out of the chops.I also really dig the long tone exercises in Goldman’s ‘Daily Embouchure Studies’ and the ones in Norman D’ath’s ‘Cornet Playing’.
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ljazztrm
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| Quote: | It's all about the WAY you play the long tones. Starting with no facial tension. Let you cheeks puff out. Let air pockets get under you lips. The point is to learn to play trumpet using the least amount of muscle tension possible. If you are a person who struggles with endurance this is for you. If you have no endurance problems then you are probably already playing this way.
The articles are long. Did you read the whole thing? |
+1! Very well put Mike Ansberry - That should go as a 'sticky' along with the 19/30's exercise 
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| ljazztrm wrote: | | Quote: | 19/30's...
Nothing new about LONG TONES , which is exactly what they are.
If memory serves, I believe he even said so in his initial post
about 19/30s.
But I'm glad that you found them helpful because LONG TONES
are extremely beneficial. |
Yarp, that’s true homebaking, but I consider the 19/30’s to be a special long tone exercise because it really focuses on relaxation.. Really simple way to get tension out of the chops.I also really dig the long tone exercises in Goldman’s ‘Daily Embouchure Studies’ and the ones in Norman D’ath’s ‘Cornet Playing’. |
Well my, my, my, Captian Snotty Pants ...LOL
Homebaking...Really ? YARP...you know what you can do with that.
In no way was I being derogatory about the 19/30 s !
I was merely pointing out the fact that even the guy
who originally posted about them said himself that they
were basically LONG TONES .
You got some problem with that ?
Maybe you consider the 19/30's to be some kind of special,
magical, secret sauce way of doing long tones.
What makes you think you can't focus on relaxation
when doing the Goldman LONG TONES in the DAILY EMBOUCHURE STUDIES
STUDIES, which I also suggested ( before you did btw)in an earlier post, in another thread
( how did the notes come to you ).
In fact, one should practice any fundamental exercise working for a
sense of relaxation and control. |
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Hmmm... I did not take Lex's post as a slam at you, and assumed he just forgot the username when he typed it in. I took it that he agreed with you but wished to highlight the additional (written) material that was the focus of Rustys post about his approach to long tones.
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| Don Herman rev2 wrote: | | Hmmm... I did not take Lex's post as a slam at you, and assumed he just forgot the username when he typed it in. I took it that he agreed with you but wished to highlight the additional (written) material that was the focus of Rustys post about his approach to long tones. |
Well, Don Herman rev2...
Homebaking...??
Yarp...??
It was definitely a "poke with a stick " ...
I don't believe I miss read anything,
nor misinterpreted his intention.
Maybe he took exception to my use
of all caps in my reference to LONG
TONES, which I really did just for emphasis.
Or maybe, he just didn't like my attitude.
It was not my intention to put down the
19/30's exercise. Once again, I was merely
pointing out( if memory serves) what the person who
originally posted that exercise said about
them himself.
And also, in my original post I said that I'm glad that folks
found them useful.
Whatever the case, ljazztrm
is entitled to think and post whatever he sees fit.
And I can certainly respond as I see fit.
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ljazztrm
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Hey homecookin, I'm truly sorry if anything I said offended you. It was definitely not my intention. It's just my dry sense of humor. 'Yarp' is a word from a hilarious British comedy I watched called 'Hot Fuzz' with Simon Pegg. The one guy would always say 'Yarp' instead of 'yes' and, for some reason, I started doing it too! I feel if I were to expound any further on what I was speaking about, it might offend you and I'd much rather part on good terms! I'm just here on the TH to discuss all things trumpet and have a good time. So I wish you all the best, Lex
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