New horn suggestions

steve_d · Regular Member Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 12

This year will be my 50th year playing trumpet. I started in 4th grade on an Olds Ambassador cornet and have been at it since then, with about a 12 year break, but have been active for about 18 years or so again.

I play in a wide variety of groups including:
British style Brass Band
A definitely not traditional Brass Band - lots of jazz, swing, pop, rock and some show tunes
A garage band that does Chicago and TOP, etc
Community band
Praise band
Accompany the organist at church

You can see my current horns below, which leads to my question.

What would you recommend for my next horn in honor of my playing for 50 years? It should probably be an all around horn to enhance my current stable of horns. I have no interest in playing in an orchestra, squeaky violins in high school cured any interest in that adventure.

I play GR mouthpieces and really appreciated the “testing” to find the right ones. I’ve thought about going to Edwards in Wisconsin and going through their tests, but am seeking opinions too.

Thanks for your suggestions!
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2007 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
1968 Olds Recording Trumpet
1975 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
Getzen 3850 cornet
2006 Jupiter 846RL

steve_d · Regular Member Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 12

Updated list of horns is below. I guess it has been a while since update my list!
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2007 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
1968 Olds Recording Trumpet
1975 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
Getzen 3850 cornet
2006 Jupiter 846RL

Brad361 · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:56 am Post subject:

I actually like the first two you have listed, but if you just want a new horn (nothing wrong with that!), for “all around playing”, how about:
Schilke B5
Schilke S32
Bach Strad 43 or 37
Yamaha Xeno

Sure, these are not “exotic” choices in least, but I have owned all of them (not currently), I do think any of them would work for most all genres.

Brad
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steve_d · Regular Member Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 12

Hi and thanks for your input.

If I recall correctly haven’t you played a Flip Oakes Celebration? If so, what do you think? I know you also have an Olds Recording so I’d value your feedback on the Celebration if it applies.

Thanks,
Steve
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2007 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
1968 Olds Recording Trumpet
1975 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
Getzen 3850 cornet
2006 Jupiter 846RL

onlyson · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:03 am Post subject:

I've tried and owned a lot of horns in the last 15 years while on my safari. Nearly 30. I too tried to find that one magic horn that could "do it all". I never found it. For the swing and rock music you play, my personal choice is the Yamaha 8335LA "Bergeron" model. Killer sound that blends well. Nice and mellow down low for ballads and lights up in the higher register. I use a Bach Artisan 3C typically, and if I want a more mellow sound I'll use an ACB MV3C.
Good luck in your search. 50 years. Wow. You deserve something special!
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Yamaha 9335CH
1951 Martin Committee Deluxe #3 Bore
ACB Coppernicus
Couesnon Flugel
Carol Pocket Trumpet

steve_d · Regular Member Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 12

Hi onlyson,

Thanks for your input.

I have been able to play the Kanstul 1600 and it was a very nice horn and definitely on my short list of potential horns. I’ll have to find the Yamaha version and give it a run.

The Getzen 3051 also turned my head when I got play one of those. Beautiful sounding horn.

Thanks,
Steve
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2007 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
1968 Olds Recording Trumpet
1975 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
Getzen 3850 cornet
2006 Jupiter 846RL

kehaulani · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:10 am Post subject:

Check out a Conn Connstellation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBXzw7Llhpk&t=1648s
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Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn

steve_d · Regular Member Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 12

Hi kehaulani,

That’s one I’d love to try but haven’t come across one to try yet. I’ve been watching for that one or the Kanstul version to give test run.

That would make a nice addition to the stable though just based on reputation I suspect.

Thanks,
Steve
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2007 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
1968 Olds Recording Trumpet
1975 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
Getzen 3850 cornet
2006 Jupiter 846RL

zaferis · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:17 am Post subject:

50 years! Congrats!

How about a Bach 190ML37 "Anniversary Model".. a 37 on steroids, also a 50th anniversary...

This Bach would balance out your stable very nicely, especially paired with the Getzen... comfortable in any setting.

https://www.bachbrass.com/instruments/trumpets/professional/190s37
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chef8489 · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:59 am Post subject:

I say look at a Bach 72 or a King super 20 silversonic. They work well in most settings but give you a bit of an edge if you want to play above the crowd if you want to. You can blend or you can zing. They can be dark or they can be bright and loud.

trumpet.trader · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Jul 2017 Posts: 200

Others have suggested that something to compliment your stable of horns might be a Bach of some sort?

I agree with that. Like you, I’ve always liked vintage horns and maybe finding a clean Mt Vernon or NY Bach would be a great addition.

I saw you mentioned Edwards and those are great horns. Lots of options. Lots of money too! But might be a fun horn.

For new horns you can’t go wrong with a Schilke or some Kanstul creation. Scodwell makes a great trumpet, the new Charley Davis Calicchio trumpets are great if you’re leaning towards something even more commercial sounding.

But if it were me with the collection you have, I’d try and find a nice super clean vintage Bach for your arsenal

trumpet.trader · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Jul 2017 Posts: 200

If I had the cash on hand and in your situation I’d try and find a Bach in this vintage and condition!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1964-Bach-Stradivarius-Mt-Vernon-Model-Bb-Trumpet/162833985649?hash=item25e9a97071:g:g3MAAOSwR2RaGx0V

Brad361 · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:19 am Post subject:

Dayton · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:43 am Post subject:

2many5s · Regular Member Joined: 28 May 2014 Posts: 40

What a great milestone you have reached, congrats! Edwards will build a horn for you and your playing needs alone, it is a wonderful experience if you can make it happen. I found a very low key, professional and comfortable environment at Edwards which were my concerns going in.

On the other hand....you should certainly take your time and enjoy the opportunity and play a bunch of the best that are being recommended for you, we live in good times with so many quality horn builders around, competition is a good thing for all of us.

INTJ · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:16 am Post subject:

I don’t know that anyone can really help you. You need to try lots of different horns to see what works best for you. I settled on my horn about 6 years ago. It works for everything requiring a Bb trumpet for me. I mainly play lead in a decent community jazz band but have also played in musicals, churches, and chamber orchestras.

During my search many horns did not work for me and some of those were great horns. I tried a Flip Oakes Wild Thing and it fit me perfectly. I could finally play 3 octaves in tune. It never backs up on me, improved my tone, and improved my endurance. I haven’t looked back......

However, just because it worked for me and others doesn’t mean it will
work for you. I don’t know that any horn works for more than 15-20% of the players out there. So try as many horns as you can and see what fits......
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dstdenis · Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:58 pm Post subject:

50 years! Congrats! A few all-arounder trumpet suggestions:

Yamaha Xeno
XO Brass 1602s
Bach Strad 37.

Trent Austin recently posted about a new Adams A2 that seems like an interesting choice. I'd check it out if I were shopping. Have fun!
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Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

PS there's a 190-37 in marketplace in mint condition at a very good price.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=102666&s=Bach-190-37-Anniversary-Stradivarius

O00Joe · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:45 am Post subject:

S. E. Shires makes amazing trumpets. If asked what the "best" Bb trumpet I've ever played is, I have to say it is Shires' CMW. I fell in love with it immediately. It is based on the classic French Besson with modern improvements. (Shires also offers the CVP model which is more true to the original.)

It has everything I want, a colorful sound and is very responsive. It is definitely my next Bb trumpet, if I ever get to buy another. (I need an Eb/D, C rotary, Bb Cornet, and maybe Flügelhorn first though!)

The only other trumpets that have impressed me as Shires have are from Blackburn. I would also recommend a Bach Artisan 190 if you don't already have a good classical-leaning Bb trumpet.
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