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yambra Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:02 pm Post subject: Flip Oakes total enhancement |
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I have a couple questions about the Total Enhancement Service. The first question is. How much difference can the enhancement service provide over just a valve alignment alone? The second question. Do other people offer the same service or is flip Oakes the only one doing this?
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Shaft Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Close as you live to Flip I would go visit him at his shop. I was curious about the same thing myself. Having a wild thing for about 15 years I have not had it done yet. _________________ 🎺 |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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The difference depends on how far off the horn is originally. If there are many things that need adjustment, the horn can go from pretty dodgy to exceptional. I've had two Wild Thing instruments that changed that way. The first trumpet I owned was said to require just about every trick in Flip's repertoire. I didn't play it before the work was done, but it became what Flip called, "one of two exceptional trumpets that have come through my shop."
The other is the flugelhorn I have now. I did play that before it was set up. I was thinking I had gotten a bum steer of a horn that would be only good for demonstrating the nano-tech coating I was working with at the time. Flip told me to send it back to him and he would perform his Total Enhancement, as usual. The horn came back completely different. It is the now best playing brass instrument I've ever owned and there is only one WT short cornet that I found to be even more magical.
On the other hand, I had a Kanstul 1025 flugelhorn and a Benge 5X that were only a little better when Flip was finished with them. The flugelhorn didn't need a valve alignment. The Benge had a 2nd valve stem that was too short, but I had already fashioned a thin leather pad for it to bring the down-stroke close to where it needed to be. Flip machined the top cap so it would accept his standard pad. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
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There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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sounds7 Heavyweight Member
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yambra Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah he's not too far from me. I was just curious if anyone else offered to same kind of service. I have only read about Flip doing it. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Osmun does a blueprinting service that I suspect does similar types of things. Since both are proprietary we really won't know how similar. Both have gotten rave reviews here. |
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21trumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Shaft wrote: | Close as you live to Flip I would go visit him at his shop. I was curious about the same thing myself. Having a wild thing for about 15 years I have not had it done yet. |
If you own a Wild Thing then it already had the total enhancement as all of Flip's horn have that done prior to delivery.
As far as the OP's questions, I would give Flip a call an ask him directly. He will want to know what horn you want this done to and a few questions on how it is playing. _________________ Yamaha YTR-9335 NYS III
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21trumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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yambra wrote: | Yeah he's not too far from me. I was just curious if anyone else offered to same kind of service. I have only read about Flip doing it. |
Yes, Osmuns does about the same thing but you live not far from Flip (no shipping required). Go spend an afternoon with him, the visit is well worth it as he is a super pleasant person and very knowledgeable about all types of trumpets. _________________ Yamaha YTR-9335 NYS III
Bach Commercial - LT190SL1B
Yamaha YTR-9445 NYS-YS - C Trumpet
Wild Thing Flugelhorn - Copper - Raw
Yamaha YCR2330 Cornet
Yamaha Custom Piccolo
Monette B4S S2 Mouthpiece |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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21trumpet wrote: | Shaft wrote: | Close as you live to Flip I would go visit him at his shop. I was curious about the same thing myself. Having a wild thing for about 15 years I have not had it done yet. |
If you own a Wild Thing then it already had the total enhancement as all of Flip's horn have that done prior to delivery.
As far as the OP's questions, I would give Flip a call an ask him directly. He will want to know what horn you want this done to and a few questions on how it is playing. |
Just a note: Very early Wild Thing trumpets may not have had the Total Enhancement done. The practice developed as Flip began to sell more horns in the late 1990s. Flip will perform this process on any of these horns free of charge. The owner just needs to ship the horn. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
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yambra Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I have a Benge 3x+ and planning to get a Kanstul 1070 soon. |
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21trumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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yambra wrote: | I have a Benge 3x+ and planning to get a Kanstul 1070 soon. |
If you are thinking about that Kanstul you would probably like the Wild Thing instead. Let me know and I have one you can play test. _________________ Yamaha YTR-9335 NYS III
Bach Commercial - LT190SL1B
Yamaha YTR-9445 NYS-YS - C Trumpet
Wild Thing Flugelhorn - Copper - Raw
Yamaha YCR2330 Cornet
Yamaha Custom Piccolo
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Shaft Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing it _________________ 🎺 |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7011 Location: AZ
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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yambra wrote: | I have a Benge 3x+ and planning to get a Kanstul 1070 soon. |
Might I suggest a Burbank 6X-CG from Michael Thomas?
resp88fa@verizon.net
There are no longer photos in the article, but it is essentially a Benge Claude Gordon model being made today. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
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yambra Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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shofarguy wrote: | yambra wrote: | I have a Benge 3x+ and planning to get a Kanstul 1070 soon. |
Might I suggest a Burbank 6X-CG from Michael Thomas?
resp88fa@verizon.net
There are no longer photos in the article, but it is essentially a Benge Claude Gordon model being made today. |
How different is that from the 1070? |
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Flip Oakes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 532 Location: Oceanside, CA USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ever since, April 22, 1999, Every Flip Oakes Wild Thing Trumpet, Flip Oakes 'C' Trumpet, Flip Oakes Wild Thing Cornet's Both American Model and Short Model, Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugels, have all had the Total Enhancement performed on them. And many of the Wild Thing Trumpets prior to this date have come back and have had been upgraded by the Total Enhancement as well.
http://flipoakes.com/accessories-services/total-enhancement-service/
Flip Oakes _________________ Flip Oakes “Wild Thing Trumpets”
2559 Mottino Dr.
Oceanside, Ca. 92056-3421
760-643-1501
Delivering the distinctive Wild Thing Sound since 1994 |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:56 am Post subject: |
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yambra wrote: | shofarguy wrote: | yambra wrote: | I have a Benge 3x+ and planning to get a Kanstul 1070 soon. |
Might I suggest a Burbank 6X-CG from Michael Thomas?
resp88fa@verizon.net
There are no longer photos in the article, but it is essentially a Benge Claude Gordon model being made today. |
How different is that from the 1070? |
The 1070 is the horn Kanstul built for Boosey & Hawkes as the Besson Meha. I don't know all of the detailed differences and it has been too many years since I've played one to give any accurate comparison.
I think the 1070 uses a different bell. It does use the different, but similar, Besson valve block. It may use a different lead pipe, but I don't know. It does use a different tuning slide crook and mouthpiece receiver.
If my distant memory serves, the sound of the two is similar, but the Besson might be a little tighter and brighter, but it's been a long time... _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:20 am Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | Osmun does a blueprinting service that I suspect does similar types of things. Since both are proprietary we really won't know how similar. Both have gotten rave reviews here. |
Thank you LittleRusty for mentioning our blueprinting service.
To be clear, what is proprietary about our service is not what we do but how we do it. There are a number of practitioners of valve alignments, each having their individual approach to how to accomplish a quality job. Identification and elimination of additional perturbations in the bore is another where methods/techniques are guarded. Knowledge of trade practices is something hard earned, our livelihoods depends on it, so it's protected information. This is one reason why Bob Reeves holds a patent on his alignment methods.
You can read more about our blueprinting service here http://www.osmun.com/blueprint
I hope this is helpful.
Happy Independents Day Everyone! Have yourself a great 4th of July! _________________ James Becker
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Osmun Music Inc.
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Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I had Flip do his total enhancement on my LA Benge. In this case, the difference after was not dramatic, but the horn felt a bit more "even" and slightly more open. I believe the reason that the difference was not night and day was because my particular Benge was a "good one" to begin with. That being said, I think the enhancement Flip did was definitely worth the cost.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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James Becker wrote: | LittleRusty wrote: | Osmun does a blueprinting service that I suspect does similar types of things. Since both are proprietary we really won't know how similar. Both have gotten rave reviews here. |
Thank you LittleRusty for mentioning our blueprinting service.
Knowledge of trade practices is something hard earned, our livelihoods depends on it, so it's protected information.
Happy Independents Day Everyone! Have yourself a great 4th of July! |
I have no issues with protecting hard won knowledge. I hope my post didn't imply otherwise.
However, I hope you pass on the info before you move on to that orchestra in the sky. |
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yambra Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:51 am Post subject: |
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shofarguy wrote: | yambra wrote: | shofarguy wrote: | yambra wrote: | I have a Benge 3x+ and planning to get a Kanstul 1070 soon. |
Might I suggest a Burbank 6X-CG from Michael Thomas?
resp88fa@verizon.net
There are no longer photos in the article, but it is essentially a Benge Claude Gordon model being made today. |
How different is that from the 1070? |
The 1070 is the horn Kanstul built for Boosey & Hawkes as the Besson Meha. I don't know all of the detailed differences and it has been too many years since I've played one to give any accurate comparison.
I think the 1070 uses a different bell. It does use the different, but similar, Besson valve block. It may use a different lead pipe, but I don't know. It does use a different tuning slide crook and mouthpiece receiver.
If my distant memory serves, the sound of the two is similar, but the Besson might be a little tighter and brighter, but it's been a long time... |
I sent him an email but haven't gotten a response. I'm curious to know how the 2 horns differ. I see on Horntrader the 6x-CG costs quite a bit more. |
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