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ehammarlund Regular Member
Joined: 30 Jan 2018 Posts: 23
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:42 am Post subject: What are your top three "must try" all-around MPs? |
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I'm a comeback player getting back into it. My 3C/7C MPs seem to work fine, frankly, but how could I possibly know if they approach "ideal" if they are the only ones I have ever tried? (bach 37; classical, some brass quintet, some brass band, no altissimo.)
In any case I occasionally find myself surfing the MP marketplace and wondering "what else is worth trying for an amateur all-rounder?" Lots of MPs out there for the same cost as a single lesson....
I figure that a lot of you have experience with this issue. What are your top three "must-try" mouthpieces that you have successfully recommended to folks? Of course they won't work for everyone, yadda yadda. But beyond the "Bach 3C" and "Bach 7C" world what would you think is worth a shot? |
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Steve A Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 1808 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: |
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A certain (smallish?) percentage of people seem to really thrive, and make huge gains with minimal losses when moving to either a big (1-1.5ish) or small (7, or smaller) mouthpiece, but for most people, the difference won't be this dramatic. If you want to experiment, by all means, but IMO the odds are that you'll find that there's a range of mouthpieces that are all fine, that each improvement one offers in one area will be offset by a challenge in another, and that you'll still basically be back at square one - learning to play the thing, and getting more mileage out of lessons than a drawer full of mouthpieces that still sound like you. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:15 am Post subject: |
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This is a slippery slope. If it works don't fix it.
I like Reeves, but that is me. I have in the past been a dealer and used:
Reeves
Purviance
Marcinkiewicz
Giardinelli
Jettone
Bach
Stork
Warburton
Curry
Bush
Loud (now Patrick)
Others which I have forgotten.
You have been warned. |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | This is a slippery slope. If it works don't fix it.
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This.
If you must experiment - experiment with used (Ebay, Facebook, etc) and do your homework as to values... if you're careful, you can buy when prices are sensible and not lose any money (realistically by the time you pay postage you shouldn't end up more than single digits out of pocket most of the time. |
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onlyson Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 225 Location: Bartlett, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:46 am Post subject: |
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It has been my experience that with every new horn I buy, I need a new mouthpiece. What may have worked before on one horn is no guarantee
of it's performance on another horn. Just me? Maybe.
I like the Bach Artisan 3C for playing with my pop/rock band (on a Yamaha 8335LA)
I like the Austin Custom Brass MV 3C with my Committee.
And I like the Hammond 4ML with my Bach Strad.
These are my mouthpieces. There are many like them (and believe me I've tried a bunch), but these ones are mine. YMMV. _________________ Del Quadro Grizzly
Yamaha 9335CH
1951 Martin Committee Deluxe #3 Bore
ACB Coppernicus
Couesnon Flugel
Carol Pocket Trumpet |
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USCGRick Regular Member
Joined: 15 Dec 2017 Posts: 20 Location: Tampa, FL
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: |
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So having just gone down this road. A couple of things I discovered. Like you I was a 3C and 5C guy. When I received my new horn I needed to see what worked best for me in terms of sound (new horn) and what felt best. After trying wide rims, different throats, cups and bores I came back to where I left. Im back on a 3C with a normal throat and bore. I didnt see much difference in the wide rim but it was comfortable. I did like the triple cup though and the V cup. But after my safari I satisfied my curiosity and feel my choice is best for me.
However, as I played with different mouthpieces I did find one that really impressed me. The stainless steel Giddings is simply outstanding for feel, comfort, playability etc. I loved it! I mention this as the above choices and recommendations are all good ones. But I think you would be very impressed with the stainless steel. Theyre pricey but after trying them theyre worth it. _________________ USCG Rick
Harrelson Bb VPS Summit One
Harrelson C VPS Summit |
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VintageFTW Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Posts: 130 Location: Somewhere in the mountains of North Georgia
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest looking into some Marcinkiewicz mouthpieces. They offer a wide line, are relatively inexpensive, blow well, and have very comfortable rims. There are many, many other options out there though. You could try testing out heavyweight mouthpieces and the like as well. _________________ 1880's Thompson & Odell Boston
1880's L&H "Henry Gunckel" Sole Agent Cornet
1903 L&H "Improved Own Make"
Early 1900's Marceau Cornet *B&F Stencil
1922 Holton-Clarke Cornet
1954 Elkhart built by Buescher 37b
...And many more |
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VintageFTW Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Posts: 130 Location: Somewhere in the mountains of North Georgia
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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You could also look into modular systems such as Warburton, Reeves, Harrelson, ect... but they tend to get really quite expensive. _________________ 1880's Thompson & Odell Boston
1880's L&H "Henry Gunckel" Sole Agent Cornet
1903 L&H "Improved Own Make"
Early 1900's Marceau Cornet *B&F Stencil
1922 Holton-Clarke Cornet
1954 Elkhart built by Buescher 37b
...And many more |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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It might make the most sense to try other mpcs in the same size, trying to find something that simply plays better. Curry furnishes that for many here, and is affordably priced. |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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GR
Hammond Design
Monette
Curry
Stork
Bob Reeves
I think these play so much better than Bach mouthpieces. |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2665 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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My advice is to do nothing. You are wondering if something different would be better, but better than what? Unless there is a need for change, like a different sound, issue with comfort, endurance, range, etc. which cannot be helped too much by just practicing, it's going to be total guesswork. And cost money.
Once you know what you want from a new mouthpiece, then the search can start.
cheers
andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2329 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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I like the various answers (lack of direct answers).. The problem is that until you have a solid embuchure, and a consistent point of reference, the search for the best fit can be detrimental and difficult. Additonally, very easy to get onto the slippery slope of never settling-always searching for an answer in the mouthpiece.
Pick one that feels relatively comfortable, mid-sized, C cup (not too shallow, not too deep) and spend your money on lessons, AND spend your time in the "shed"
Bach 7C, 3C, 5C
Yamaha 14B4 - standard or GP
Schilke 13 _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 725 Location: SE US
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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VintageFTW wrote: | You could also look into modular systems such as Warburton, Reeves, Harrelson, ect... but they tend to get really quite expensive. |
I have long term Trumpet Player friends, some for decades, who have boxes of mouthpieces that they will never use again. No telling how much time, money and confusion that has all cost.
Mouthpiece Safaris are like Horn Safaris in that it takes a little time to feel the fit, at least for me, which means some sort of investment, money, face time, listening, learning and dedication among others things. Not to be taken lightly (repeat this statement 50X). I'm a research sort of shopper on everything but when it comes to horns and mouthpieces, even more so. I don't do either on a whim or for sport (horns or mouthpieces). As far as mouthpieces go, I found a feel that worked for me very early in college and stuck with it, no matter what others played or bragged about. I learned the piece and made it mine. Horns are the same way, at least for me. Reeves Mouthpieces just fit the bill like nothing else, once again, for me. I have played the same Reeves Rim for many decades and in many situations. I do change the bottoms as needed for certain horns and certain styles, but the rim and basic feedback stay the same, setting up a much shorter learning curve as well as minimizing "bad" or even mediocre decisions.
My advice FWIW, get serious about your mouthpiece choices. Take time to make them work for you and then stick with it. There really is no "Magic Bullet". _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
Reeves 41 Rimmed Mouthpieces |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Aug 2017 Posts: 475
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Many people swear by the Curry 3C or 5C. I urge you not to make changes that arent necessary...but experimenting does not hurt. Comfort and ease of play are particular things to pay attention to. |
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Bflatman Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Nov 2016 Posts: 720
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Change causes problems.
There had better be a good reason for making a change.
"I am playing well - I need to change this"
Enough said |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 3832 Location: Greece
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:48 am Post subject: |
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For me Purviance 9A and 8A.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
Reeves/Purviance mpcs |
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Rompson Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:50 am Post subject: |
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You can always buy another copy of the 7c/3c/whatever you have and have the throat and/or backbore opened. That way the feel is still similar, and you can make a more objective judgement about what you like and don't like. Worse comes to worse and you don't like the changes, you now have an extra mouthpiece to keep in your car for emergencies. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9025 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: |
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All you want to know are, for your purposes, the top three suggested tries, right? (No lectures and only three?) Then:
Schilke M4C Symphony Series
Silver Monette 6
Bach Megatone 3B _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
Adams F-1 Flghn |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: |
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The number of factors that need to be considered when finding the best mouthpiece make me want to sell 'em all and take up the accordion:
Mouthpiece rim size and shape, cup shape and volume, throat and backbore size
Horn bore and bell size and flare
Sound concept
Playing objective
Playing experience
Add such things as your general health, dental issues, whether your team is winning and how much snow you had to shovel to get your car out if the garage and you begin to understand why there are an estimated 750 tons of mouthpieces on the market at any tme. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 843 Location: Waikiki, Hawaii
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:59 am Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | The number of factors that need to be considered when finding the best mouthpiece make me want to sell 'em all and take up the accordion:
Mouthpiece rim size and shape, cup shape and volume, throat and backbore size
Horn bore and bell size and flare
Sound concept
Playing objective
Playing experience
Add such things as your general health, dental issues, whether your team is winning and how much snow you had to shovel to get your car out if the garage and you begin to understand why there are an estimated 750 tons of mouthpieces on the market at any tme. |
When I was 20, I decided to take up the guitar. So now I have these problems with two instruments. For guitar, it's the type of strings, wood, neck size, parts upgrades, amp to use, etc. I guess I just love music and always working on getting that better sound. _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
Greg Black MPs |
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