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jules_831 New Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:03 am Post subject: Learning to play without Pressure |
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Trying to learn to play without a lot of added pressure. ( I'm the type of player always using the octave key)
What kind of techniques would you use to work on this? |
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Pete Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2001 Posts: 1739 Location: Western Massachusetts
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Learning to play without excessive pressure is more likely.
The use of air compression will help. It is easier to compress air with a full breath. If you are mashing the mouthpiece you are either not using/compressing air and/or you are playing a mouthpiece that is too big for you.
Check the "Yogi Complete Breath" online:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sob/sob09.htm
This is the breath that Maynard, Bud Brisbois, Bobby Shew and others have applied to their playing. You do skip the second step which is holding the breath while playing the trumpet. t has been helpful to me.
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rufflicks Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Mar 2011 Posts: 641 Location: Mesa AZ
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Billy B Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 6130 Location: Des Moines
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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What makes you think you use too much pressure? _________________ Bill Bergren |
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chuck in ny Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3597 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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there are keys to opening up the high register. learn them and you won't have to resort to mashing your lips. you need a certain and very reasonable amount of pressure to play but not enough to beat the lips up or make them sore. |
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MrOlds Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Apr 2003 Posts: 724 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Eliminate tone production problems in the register below where you think you have a problem. Then eliminate them in the next register.
There are no magic exercises or methods. The magic is in your ears. |
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Dave CCM/SSO Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2015 Posts: 145 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:24 am Post subject: |
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hello,
I believe that it's all about the efficiency of the air. Many people blow too big and too wide. This creates extra resistance and then the tension begins.
Many of my students have had a lot of success by working on beginning notes with a very quite breath attack. The air should be focused, but not forced. Keep everything buoyant and resonant. The sensation should be "allowing" the note to begin with a free and easy sound.
Once this is done with consistency, I then have them add note bending and lip flexibility studies such as Irons.
Unfortunately, there aren't any short cuts. Learning to play with efficiency rather than tension or excessive pressure takes consistent effort and discipline.
Best of luck!
Dave _________________ Dave
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- www.springfieldsym.org
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superviking805 Veteran Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 154 Location: Santa Barbara
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Piero Michi has a very interesting method I have been working with for a few months now. I haven't figured out how to compress the air yet for the upper register but the pedals are working nicely.
The method looks pretty wacky with the rubber bands but if you look at his facebook page there are a significant number of players who have figured it out.
http://www.30minuti.net/en/ |
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MrGBand Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 313 Location: Gilbertsville, PA
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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here are a couple things....
1) You have to play to a sound. Know the sound you want...Resonate!
2)Might sound stupid but, you have to perceive the feeling of not using tension and pressure.
2) If you can't play with a good sound (open, free) on the staff, you can't play that way in the upper range.
3) You have to build embouchure strength. Pressure initially comes from other deficiencies... then translates into habit.
4) I have noticed that when students play with a lot of tension they tend to pull their jaw down and back making it even harder to get enough compression to play higher.
I have worked on acceding scales, playing up to the time I feel tension. Then start again and go back to the same note paying careful, attention to use better support and embouchure compression and play it with a more open sound. no reeding jaw. When you get that note, move on to the next pitch.
Build strength though lots of long lyrical etudes (without stopping)...Concone and the songs in the back of the arians book work
Also, power exercises like those in the stamp book. _________________ Bb Yamaha YTR 8335R 20th Anniversary
1947 NY Bach M
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NevadaBigHorn Regular Member
Joined: 23 Sep 2015 Posts: 82 Location: Minden, NV
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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As has been stated - less pressure not no pressure. I am a hobbyist but a couple of things that have helped me is the whisper G concept (Cat Anderson) and realizing that the things that give me range, power and resonance all happen before the air gets to my lips. The whisper G made my embouchure efficient. Once you have an efficient embouchure with a good set point, anchor tongue and proper support behind it you don't need pressure. Everything will improve. This is my experience anyway. Take it or leave it. _________________ Scott |
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Pete Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2001 Posts: 1739 Location: Western Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: |
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It looks like the only one not interested in the responses to his post is the OP.
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fraserhutch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Pete wrote: | It looks like the only one not interested in the responses to his post is the OP.
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He got enough posts to post in in the marketplace, I would guess _________________ Schilke B1
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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fraserhutch wrote: | Pete wrote: | It looks like the only one not interested in the responses to his post is the OP.
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He got enough posts to post in in the marketplace, I would guess |
And there it is:
https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=104239&s=Schilke-P5-4
Yep, just another time waster who actually seems to think that anyone around here would ever buy anything from someone who joins, makes five disingenuous posts, and thinks he'll then be considered trustworthy enough to send money to.
As of now, 21 posts have been made on the five different threads this guy started by good folks sincerely trying to help him. |
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Pete Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:13 am Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | fraserhutch wrote: | Pete wrote: | It looks like the only one not interested in the responses to his post is the OP.
Pete |
He got enough posts to post in in the marketplace, I would guess |
And there it is:
https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=104239&s=Schilke-P5-4
Yep, just another time waster who actually seems to think that anyone around here would ever buy anything from someone who joins, makes five disingenuous posts, and thinks he'll then be considered trustworthy enough to send money to.
As of now, 21 posts have been made on the five different threads this guy started by good folks sincerely trying to help him. |
Yep, I was just trying to be subtle.
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Maybe the mods need to change the rules here. Make the minimum 15. Or 20, or 10. or....?
People here who are comfortable buying something from a “five poster” will disagree, and say that just because someone is not interested in participating here doesn’t mean they do not have something worth considering to sell, and that’s probably true. Speaking for myself, I won’t buy from those guys. It’s not some kind of “you’re not a member of our club” mentality, I’m just not comfortable with the higher risk of being cheated.
What do you guys think? No, raising the minimum is still not a quarantee, there are no guarantees, but it might discourage someone with questionable motives from going to the trouble of making a higher number of meaningless posts.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Pete wrote: | John Mohan wrote: | fraserhutch wrote: | Pete wrote: | It looks like the only one not interested in the responses to his post is the OP.
Pete |
He got enough posts to post in in the marketplace, I would guess |
And there it is:
https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=104239&s=Schilke-P5-4
Yep, just another time waster who actually seems to think that anyone around here would ever buy anything from someone who joins, makes five disingenuous posts, and thinks he'll then be considered trustworthy enough to send money to.
As of now, 21 posts have been made on the five different threads this guy started by good folks sincerely trying to help him. |
Yep, I was just trying to be subtle.
Pete |
Subtle is for flute players. |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | People here who are comfortable buying something from a “five poster” will disagree, and say that just because someone is not interested in participating here doesn’t mean they do not have something worth considering to sell, and that’s probably true. |
I don't think such people who would be comfortable buying from such a person exist. I think everybody realizes that someone who starts five separate topic threads making five disingenuous requests for help just to get their five posts in, is clearly an untrustworthy person.
It would be different (though still a bit annoying) if the person read and replied to threads that already existed to "earn" his five post score. But to basically lie to all of us just to get the five posts in is an exhibition of sociopathic tendencies. Does that sound harsh? Maybe. I'm not saying these people are the equivalent of a Charles Manson type. But I wouldn't trust them with my money and I doubt any of the rest of us would. |
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Pete Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:34 am Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | Pete wrote: | John Mohan wrote: | fraserhutch wrote: | Pete wrote: | It looks like the only one not interested in the responses to his post is the OP.
Pete |
He got enough posts to post in in the marketplace, I would guess |
And there it is:
https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=104239&s=Schilke-P5-4
Yep, just another time waster who actually seems to think that anyone around here would ever buy anything from someone who joins, makes five disingenuous posts, and thinks he'll then be considered trustworthy enough to send money to.
As of now, 21 posts have been made on the five different threads this guy started by good folks sincerely trying to help him. |
Yep, I was just trying to be subtle.
Pete |
Subtle is for flute players. 8) |
John,
My wife keeps telling me that I have to tone it down. I'm practicing restraint. I've even been off of Facebook for a month!
Pete |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Pete wrote: | John,
My wife keeps telling me that I have to tone it down. I'm practicing restraint. I've even been off of Facebook for a month!
Pete |
Is she a flute player?
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Pete Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | Pete wrote: | John,
My wife keeps telling me that I have to tone it down. I'm practicing restraint. I've even been off of Facebook for a month!
Pete |
Is she a flute player?
:lol: |
Stop!
Pete |
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