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swinks
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 Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:14 pm Post subject: Bach vs Yamaha vs Monette |
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Tell me your preference.
Bach
Yamaha
Monette
Or others too.
Have you olayed all three?
What were your thoughts?
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zaferis
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Bach, Yamaha, Schilke, Monette, Blackburn, Warburton, Getzen, Shires, Sonare, Benge, Stomvi, CarolBrass, .. all very nice weapons, what are you hunting?
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Yes!
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YBChen
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| They are all great mouthpieces. I prefer monette, because the shank length helps the intonation. But there are plenty of players sound great on Bach and Yamaha. |
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theslawdawg
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:39 am Post subject: |
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As of today, I prefer Monette. 
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Jerry
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Pete
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The preference is what you like best, not what I like best. I have never played on a Monette trumpet. The others, Bach, Yamaha, Schilke, Getzen, Jupiter, Adams, Hub Van Laar, etc. are all good horns.
What do you have, and what are you looking for?
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cheiden
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For the Bb...
Bach - My favorite horns to date are all Bach. Though I've played plenty of unimpressive Bachs and many duds, the good ones are hard to beat.
Yamaha - Consistently great horns but not my cup of tea (though I love Yamaha piccs and flugels). A lot of players I encounter sound like a million bucks on theirs.
Monette - The few I've played had some really compelling attributes, but they were so different that I decided the advantages weren't worth it for me. I've met a few players that rock this brand and some others that don't.
If you're shopping for a horn, other peoples preferences won't do you a bit of good. Try all you can with open ears and no prejudice. And don't think a single horn will tell the story for an entire brand. Models vary quite a bit and the differences between individual horns can be night and day.
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Trumpet-Is-Jazz
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Very difficult to compare!
It depends on what you want to play really! |
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[quote="cheiden"
Yamaha - Consistently great horns but not my cup of tea (though I love Yamaha piccs and flugels). A lot of players I encounter sound like a million buck on theirs.[/quote]
It's funny really, Yamaha's seem to be very much "listeners horns" but often not the choice of those who revel in the interaction with the instrument...
I mean, you find some truly astonishing musicians using them and making stunning music and they sound awesome in the right hands... but they can also feel a bit boring, a bit sterile and soulless (compared to some) to the player - for those that gain pleasure from the instrument itself (rather than the music one makes from it - to the extent that these can even be decoupled) they might not be the first choice, but they're certainly a damned fine tool. |
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p76
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Never got on with Bach, probably haven't tried the right one for me, but found them stuffy.
Love Yams, esp. older pro models. Not so much the Shew, but definitely the LA. Not so much the Chicago, but don't mind the New York.
Monette - not a good enough player to get the best out of these horns. 
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cheiden
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| TKSop wrote: | | cheiden wrote: |
Yamaha - Consistently great horns but not my cup of tea (though I love Yamaha piccs and flugels). A lot of players I encounter sound like a million bucks on theirs. |
It's funny really, Yamaha's seem to be very much "listeners horns" but often not the choice of those who revel in the interaction with the instrument...
I mean, you find some truly astonishing musicians using them and making stunning music and they sound awesome in the right hands... but they can also feel a bit boring, a bit sterile and soulless (compared to some) to the player - for those that gain pleasure from the instrument itself (rather than the music one makes from it - to the extent that these can even be decoupled) they might not be the first choice, but they're certainly a damned fine tool. |
I've heard that same opinion and suspect there may be a lot of truth to it. I've also heard that some of the newer Yamaha models may have improved in this regard. At some point I hope to try the newer horns.
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dstdenis
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| TKSop wrote: | | It's funny really, Yamaha's seem to be very much "listeners horns" but often not the choice of those who revel in the interaction with the instrument... they can also feel a bit boring, a bit sterile and soulless (compared to some) to the player... |
That hasn't been my experience. I get a kick out of playing my Yamaha—it's lots of fun. It's easier to play than other trumpets I've had, and I love the sounds I can get with it in all different kinds of musical styles. "Revel in the interaction" is a great way to describe some of the experiences I've had with this horn. Played a Mardis Gras concert last week that still has me riding high.
It doesn't play itself, though; I still have to work hard to get ready. I'm working on some pieces for a concert next month that are really kicking my butt right now. I guess I'm just more confident that, with this instrument, the hard work will pay off.
I'm not one to bash other brands. I played a Bach 180-37 for many years, and I formed a strong bond with it. It's a great instrument too, though it isn't as easy to play as my Yamaha. I try to be very open-minded about new instruments. Played an XO Brass 1602s awhile back that I thought was great. Never would've expected that, but I could happily use that horn too.
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TKSop
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| dstdenis wrote: |
I'm not one to bash other brands. |
Glad to hear you're enjoying your Yamaha.
Just to be clear (though I don't think this was your implication) - I'm not knocking Yamaha's at all, I've spent years playing them (though not anymore) and they always served me extremely reliably... and the reason I'm not using them anymore isn't performance, it's not necessity, it's simply preference |
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a trumpet is the darndest thing. if you went to a table filled with yamahas you would absolutely love one or two and actively dislike most of the rest.
multiply that by about 20 worthy brands.
it's a lot like falling in love and no you don't find your true love just anywhere. it takes time and effort. |
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| chuck in ny wrote: | a trumpet is the darndest thing. if you went to a table filled with yamahas you would absolutely love one or two and actively dislike most of the rest.
multiply that by about 20 worthy brands.
it's a lot like falling in love and no you don't find your true love just anywhere. it takes time and effort. |
Word.
Cheers,
Roger
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theslawdawg
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| chuck in ny wrote: | a trumpet is the darndest thing. if you went to a table filled with yamahas you would absolutely love one or two and actively dislike most of the rest.
multiply that by about 20 worthy brands.
it's a lot like falling in love and no you don't find your true love just anywhere. it takes time and effort. |
Now I’m depressed about all my true loves lost as well as my trumpets.
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Monette because I can sell it for the most money.
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Played a Yamaha Eb in college that I really liked; also a late 70's-early 80's Yamaha C that played very easily but lacked the oomph that a C trumpet needs. Also played a friend's 6310z that was amazing. Went to the local music store to try one and couldn't get the same result, but really liked the Mike Vax model they had there (this dates me, I know).
Settled on a Bach LR180 about 26 years ago and it has been satisfactory--a good all-around horn that doesn't top any category but is fairly versatile, depending on the mouthpiece I use.
I've never tried Monettes, mainly because if I liked them I would go into severe depression knowing I could never afford one.
Tested a Stomvi Elite a few years ago and was very impressed with both the build quality and the evenness of sound from the bottom to the top--the tone was the same color over three octaves. Hoping to try more Stomvis in the future, especially the VRII--I've heard very good things about it but I don't want to try any horn until I'm sure I can afford it if it blows my Bach away.
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