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Can this really be called a Strad?



 
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Robert P
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject: Can this really be called a Strad? Reply with quote

Ran across this on Ebay. They're calling it a custom-built Strad. With this much modification - heavy braces, non-Bach receiver, either highly altered or completely non-Bach leadpipe, wildly altered tuning slide among other elements is it likely to retain any Strad characteristics?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Bach-Strad-Bb-Trumpet-37-bell-ML-LP-25-24k-Gold/253474716342?hash=item3b04453ab6:g:VxYAAOSwuWNalxJa
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't call it a Strad myself - if nothing else, it'll be so different that applying that name is misleading at best.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankenhorn. FrankenStrad?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it’s a Bb anymore
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose there's another way to put it...

The description says it was modified by Harrelson - I don't know whether Jason would still call this a Strad, but I'm told he's not a fan of people modifying his horns (changing out leadpipes, etc) which seems pretty reasonable in a way... so I'm fairly sure he'd be unhappy if a modified Harrelson trumpet was sold as a Harrelson, right?


As to whether it'll play like a Strad - who knows?
I'd assume it'll be a bit different otherwise what's the point?
But whether it retains any Bach-like characteristics is rather dependent on whether it was intended to do so, and whether it was successful in it's aims... Sure, Jason makes great stuff, but I would think you'd have to play this one to have the first clue how it plays.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a goofy looking horn!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the below video Jason goes over this particular horn personally. He said he did this modification on only two horns and only one of them was a Bach. I believe the Ebay listing is of that horn, the finish and mods match. He still calls it a bach strad as that was it's original identity. Now i can't speak for him but based on what he said about the mods it seemed all he changed was the "efficiency" of the horn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vld4gKnEPFQ
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is is still a Strad? I guess, since it started out as one. IMO, it looks ridiculous.....does that really matter IF it plays better than your average Bach Stradivarius? I suppose not, but the only way I might consider something like that would be if the seller offered a return policy. And actually, I would probably pass anyway, it just looks too stupid. To me, it’s sort of like a horn with a “Dizzy” bell; if you’re going to take something like that to a gig, you’d better be a REAL kick *** player, otherwise you just look like a dork.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, but it can be called a disaster.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the 3rd valve slide is still Bach. Other than that, I see nothing left of a Bach horn of any model. It is no longer a Bach. When I see videos of horns being "play tested", I wonder about the blending ability. Fellow showed up at a pre gig rehearsal with $5k horn that he thought was the best thing he'd ever heard. Quickly found that it would not blend and had to go back for his Bach. Not saying that this horn would have a problem, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'd be interesting to play it. The Bach tuning slide assembly has been replaced by a small crook and longer straight tubing. What would this do to the response? It's something I've never tried and I'm just curious.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my understanding, small radii increase resistance over more open wraps. God knows what the two sharp 45 degree bends in the hacked-up leadpipe do.

I think I will disassemble and cut up an old trumpet I have and reassemble it in as weird and ugly a fashion as I can. I will the put it on e-bay as an advanced, efficient custom horn with a $2,800 buy it now price. Who knows, maybe I will get lucky.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the weird, weird world of Jason Harrelson. At least he's experimenting I guess..
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winghorn wrote:
In my understanding, small radii increase resistance over more open wraps. God knows what the two sharp 45 degree bends in the hacked-up leadpipe do.

I think I will disassemble and cut up an old trumpet I have and reassemble it in as weird and ugly a fashion as I can. I will the put it on e-bay as an advanced, efficient custom horn with a $2,800 buy it now price. Who knows, maybe I will get lucky.


All you need is one suck...., er, buyer.😉

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says Bach and the bell and I bet the valve block is a Bach block - but does it play like a Bach? All that extra weight would be like trying to use a Ferrari to tow a caravan...

At the end of the day - who cares what it's called. I've played Bachs that don't play like what I expect a Bach to play like.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only bone I have to pick is the statement "custom-built Bach 180 ML Strad".

I believe it should say "customized", since a significant part of the horn was built by Bach, and would not be considered "custom-built".

But the ad was very clear on the rest of the modifications, so I really don't have a problem with the ad.
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