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rcordle56 New Member
Joined: 28 Jun 2016 Posts: 3 Location: Fuquay Varina
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:34 pm Post subject: Olds Ambassador trumpet |
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99% of the time I'm playing cornet or flugelhorn, but every so often it's nice to have a trumpet. I found a deal on a 1962 Olds (Fullerton) Ambassador last week and picked it up. The horn has very few miles on it, as evidenced by the significant pop each valve slide makes as it comes out of the horn. After cleaning, I dropped in the standard Old#3 mouthpiece and got a very pleasant surprise. This is one of the easiest playing, most responsive horns I have ever played - not that I expected to fight it, but I did not expect an experience this easy. I have recommended these horns for years to beginners, based on their durability and general quality in the student market, but I'd have bought one sooner if I had ever experienced this before. Now maybe I can get my hands on an Ambassador cornet. _________________ Robert Cordle
1961 Conn Connstellation Cornet
1987 Conn 34A Cornet
1905 Lyon Healy Own Make Cornet
Bundy 183 Flugelhorn
1974 Selmer Radial Trumpet
1979 Conn 16E Mellophonium |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 Posts: 2158 Location: Little Elm, TX
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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My older brother got one in 1966 when he started 5th grade band, and played it all through high school; when he graduated and quit playing, I put my cornet in the case and used his trumpet for the next three years until I graduated. When I bought my first pro horn prior to starting college, I returned the Olds to my brother. He had some work done on it (dent removal, replaced broken valve guide) and later his son played it for a short time in elementary school. It then sat in his closet for a few years until his grandchildren found it and damaged it beyond repair while fighting over it. All I can think is those kids must have really been rough with it, because the Ambassador was the Sherman tank of trumpets and my brother's horn had survived years of abuse between the two of us. It had a beautiful sound and was superior to any other student trumpet back in the day.
I may get another one someday, if only for nostalgia's sake.
FYI, I owned a late 1950's vintage Ambassador cornet for a short time in college. Made some minor repairs and sold it at a nice profit, but would have kept it if I hadn't been a starving student. If you can find one, it will be a nice addition to your collection--the one I had really sounded like a cornet should sound and was very nimble--I could play H.L. Clarke's "Bride of the Waves" on it way better than I ever could on my trumpet. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
1995 UMI Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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I bought a ‘62-ish Ambassador from someone here, and was so impressed with it I bought a ‘65 Recording.
GREAT horns, excellent build quality, the Recording has a very resonant sound, with the characteristic of having secure slotting without feeling rigid or stiff. It locks in, but is still flexible.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 843 Location: Waikiki, Hawaii
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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My old man still has his, and it still plays awesome. _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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homebilly Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 2197 Location: Venice, CA & Paris, France
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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i'm playing my LA Ambassador right now! _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
waiting for Fed-Ex to deliver a $50 trumpet to my door. shipping was prepaid by seller of course!
http://ronmeza.com
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trumpetchops Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 2644
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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homebilly wrote: | i'm playing my LA Ambassador right now! |
How do you type and play at the same time? _________________ Joe Spitzer
Monroe Ct. |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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trumpetchops wrote: | homebilly wrote: | i'm playing my LA Ambassador right now! |
How do you type and play at the same time? | _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
Greg Black MPs |
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homebilly Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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just like i watch TV and practice at the same time
_________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
waiting for Fed-Ex to deliver a $50 trumpet to my door. shipping was prepaid by seller of course!
http://ronmeza.com
http://highdefinitionbigband.com |
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Lee Adams Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2001 Posts: 222 Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Below is something that I copied over from Facebook where Chris of SVT vintage trumpets gives interesting details about the different era's of the Olds Ambassador. Some interesting stuff!
Chris Smith Steve Bingner the Olds Ambassador that we use to build the SVT2's (One of the SVT2 Models) are pre 1957 Horns, with the majority of the horns being pre 1955. The Olds Ambassador in the time period was a Pro horn. The Olds horns made in the Los Angeles plant were all made from the same brass, to the same specs and tolerances and where built by the same craftsmen their Pro models. The only differences were the bracing and some of the trim, eng etc. There was a lot of raw material saved from the plant after the fire which is why the early Fullerton horns play the way they do, The Ambassador of the late 50's and beyond was still a great Student horn for sure, but were significantly different horns. It is the LA horn that many of the Pro's use and are aware of, and that reason is what I explained, the Olds LA Ambassador was a Professional Trumpet. Jordan's horn has some significant changes from what it was originally. With that said it is still 100% an LA Olds, As the materials used in some of the modification was from the horn itself and another Olds Ambassador. To this day I believe the Olds Ambassador is the #1 selling Student horn in history. _________________ Lee Adams 404-316-4072
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2015 Posts: 520 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Lee Adams wrote: | Below is something that I copied over from Facebook where Chris of SVT vintage trumpets gives interesting details about the different era's of the Olds Ambassador. Some interesting stuff!
Chris Smith Steve Bingner the Olds Ambassador that we use to build the SVT2's (One of the SVT2 Models) are pre 1957 Horns, with the majority of the horns being pre 1955. The Olds Ambassador in the time period was a Pro horn. The Olds horns made in the Los Angeles plant were all made from the same brass, to the same specs and tolerances and where built by the same craftsmen their Pro models. The only differences were the bracing and some of the trim, eng etc. There was a lot of raw material saved from the plant after the fire which is why the early Fullerton horns play the way they do, The Ambassador of the late 50's and beyond was still a great Student horn for sure, but were significantly different horns. It is the LA horn that many of the Pro's use and are aware of, and that reason is what I explained, the Olds LA Ambassador was a Professional Trumpet. Jordan's horn has some significant changes from what it was originally. With that said it is still 100% an LA Olds, As the materials used in some of the modification was from the horn itself and another Olds Ambassador. To this day I believe the Olds Ambassador is the #1 selling Student horn in history. |
I would like to see some sources for all this from someone who doesn't make money selling student instruments for way more than they are worth. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Divitt Trumpets wrote: | Lee Adams wrote: | Below is something that I copied over from Facebook where Chris of SVT vintage trumpets gives interesting details about the different era's of the Olds Ambassador. Some interesting stuff!
Chris Smith Steve Bingner the Olds Ambassador that we use to build the SVT2's (One of the SVT2 Models) are pre 1957 Horns, with the majority of the horns being pre 1955. The Olds Ambassador in the time period was a Pro horn. The Olds horns made in the Los Angeles plant were all made from the same brass, to the same specs and tolerances and where built by the same craftsmen their Pro models. The only differences were the bracing and some of the trim, eng etc. There was a lot of raw material saved from the plant after the fire which is why the early Fullerton horns play the way they do, The Ambassador of the late 50's and beyond was still a great Student horn for sure, but were significantly different horns. It is the LA horn that many of the Pro's use and are aware of, and that reason is what I explained, the Olds LA Ambassador was a Professional Trumpet. Jordan's horn has some significant changes from what it was originally. With that said it is still 100% an LA Olds, As the materials used in some of the modification was from the horn itself and another Olds Ambassador. To this day I believe the Olds Ambassador is the #1 selling Student horn in history. |
I would like to see some sources for all this from someone who doesn't make money selling student instruments for way more than they are worth. |
Wow.
If you’re really interested in Olds history, you might find this interesting. http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds.htm
If you’re just interested in taking shots at someone, I guess you might not. I’ve seen Chris Smith’s stuff, personally I won’t declare his horns to be priced at “way more than they are worth” for two reasons: I haven’t played one, and “worth” is subjective.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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plp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 7023 Location: South Alabama
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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One of the best trumpets I've ever played or owned is a 1949 Olds Ambassador trumpet, one of the best Dixieland cornets I've ever owned (and sold, for an obscene profit) was a 1953 Olds Special.
Olds, back then, was a phenomenal manufacturer of brasswinds, were giving away some very well built horns to develop a reputation.
I sold a 1963 Mendez for 1100 dollars, that was no better than my 1949 Mardis Gras second line Ambassador that I will never sell, just rips it for that sound.
Someday I will pay big money, to have it professionally toned to the present Krylon purple, green, and gold spray paint job I have done to it, at the cost of less than 20 bucks, but not yet. It is incredibly bright in tone, just rips it for a second line horn, and have been recorded on YouTube by several sources. _________________ Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:55 am Post subject: |
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plp wrote: | One of the best trumpets I've ever played or owned is a 1949 Olds Ambassador trumpet, one of the best Dixieland cornets I've ever owned (and sold, for an obscene profit) was a 1953 Olds Special.
Olds, back then, was a phenomenal manufacturer of brasswinds, were giving away some very well built horns to develop a reputation.
I sold a 1963 Mendez for 1100 dollars, that was no better than my 1949 Mardis Gras second line Ambassador that I will never sell, just rips it for that sound.
Someday I will pay big money, to have it professionally toned to the present Krylon purple, green, and gold spray paint job I have done to it, at the cost of less than 20 bucks, but not yet. It is incredibly bright in tone, just rips it for a second line horn, and have been recorded on YouTube by several sources. |
I’m a recent Olds fan, bought a great playing ‘61 Ambassador trumpet here (marketplace) in very good condition for 200.00. So impressive that I picked up a ‘65 Recording, that horn has seen a majority of my gigs lately. Both of these are Fullertons, I understand some people say the LA horns can be even better.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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