• FAQ  • Search  • Memberlist  • Usergroups   • Register   • Profile  • Log in to check your private messages  • Log in 

Trad Facts


Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> Jazz/Commercial
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jhatpro
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 17 Mar 2002
Posts: 10204
Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Trad Facts Reply with quote

When our band plays a trad gig I like to interject factoids about the tradition of New Orleans-style jazz. It gives the band a few seconds' break and the audiences seem to enjoy it.

In case you'd like to use some of these tid-bits, here they are:

Traditional Jazz

• It was born in New Orleans in the 1890s and featured collective improvisation by musicians playing a rich mix of marches, work songs, gospel music and popular melodies with African rhythms and blues harmonies.

• The first bands used instruments that had been pawned by musicians from Confederate Army marching bands.

• Many people refer to the music as Dixieland, a reference that bothers some because it is reminiscent of the slave era.

• The term Dixie is thought to have originated as a mispronunciation of the French word for “ten” that appeared on some New Orleans bank notes in the 1800s.

• What we call “jazz” today was originally spelled “jass.” In fact, the first traditional jazz recording was made in 1917 by the Original Dixieland Jass Band.

• The name was eventually changed because vandals had become fond of scratching out the “J” on the band’s posters, thus turning the group’s name into the Original Dixieland Ass Band.

• The first New Orleans trad bands played with a front line of cornet, clarinet and trombone with tuba and banjo providing accompaniment. The emphasis was on ensemble playing with infrequent solos.

• Bands played in saloons, dance halls, on river boats and on “ad wagons” – which merchants used to advertise their products and services.

• The trombone player on an ad wagon was known as a “tailgater” because space was limited, and the trombonist had to sit on the tailgate in order to operate his slide.

• By 1920 musicians like Louis Armstrong had migrated to Chicago and the style became more solo oriented with guitar and string bass replacing banjo and tuba. The trumpet replaced the cornet in many bands because it was louder.

• Chicago-style jazz became America’s most popular music throughout the 1920s.

• By the 1930s the center of the jazz world shifted to New York where the style changed once more, emphasizing the big band dance music of the swing era.
_________________
Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle


Last edited by jhatpro on Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:36 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
solo soprano
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 26 Jan 2012
Posts: 856
Location: Point O' Woods / Old Lyme, Connecticut

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Dixieland is Jazz in it's purest form."

Warren W. Vache Sr.

Mr. Vache was a jazz musician (string bass), charter Board member of the New Jersey Jazz Society, jazz writer, and the father of two world-class musicians, Warren Vache, Jr. and Allen Vache.
_________________
Bill Knevitt, who taught me the seven basic physical elements and the ten principles of physical trumpet playing and how to develop them.
https://qpress.ca/product-category/trumpet/?filter_publisher=la-torre-music
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Brad361
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Posts: 7080
Location: Houston, TX.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool info!

Brad
_________________
When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
brassmusician
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Feb 2016
Posts: 273

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that info. I play in a dixieland group and it is one of the most pleasurable gigs I do. There is something so joyful and lively about the music, even the slower tunes.
_________________
Cannonball 789RL
Yamaha 635ST
Yamaha 16C4
Wick 2BFL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jhatpro
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 17 Mar 2002
Posts: 10204
Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, guys! I love to play trade too, although making sure everyone understands the roadmaps can be a challenge. That’s why I keep asking for tips on the best ways to communicate with one another on the stand.
_________________
Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Oncewasaplayer
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 974

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for these items. i do think it's helpful to tell the audience about the genre and also about some of the tunes. You can search on a tune's title, on the composer's name and often find some interesting factoids to throw into your introductions. I'll introduce a tune as the hit song of 1923 or I'll talk about people who recorded it over the years (Miles Davis, Ray Charles, Linda Ronstadt...). Nothing to long but just a bit to give the tune some context in its time and ours.
_________________
Getzen 800DLX cornet
Selmer Sigma trumpet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
brassmusician
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Feb 2016
Posts: 273

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....and the great thing about doing a bit of talking in between numbers is it allows some blood to creep back into your chops
_________________
Cannonball 789RL
Yamaha 635ST
Yamaha 16C4
Wick 2BFL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Comeback
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 22 Jun 2011
Posts: 1143

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread, Jim. Thanks!

Jim
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mm55
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 01 Jul 2013
Posts: 1412

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than "factoids" (non-factual stories that are believed to be facts because they are presented as facts), why not actual facts about trad music? Is the truth really so boring?
_________________
'75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
'79 King Silver Flair
'07 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
'42 Selmer US
'90 Yamaha YTR6450S(C)
'12 Eastman ETR-540S (D/Eb)
'10 Carol CPT-300LR pkt
'89 Yamaha YCR2330S crnt
'13 CarolBrass CFL-6200-GSS-BG flg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Richard III
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 22 May 2007
Posts: 2654
Location: Anacortes, WA

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mm55 wrote:
Rather than "factoids" (non-factual stories that are believed to be facts because they are presented as facts), why not actual facts about trad music? Is the truth really so boring?


Personal experience is talking between songs is boring. Too many bands do this to give people in the band a little break or to stretch out the set because they don't have enough songs to fill the time. I'll admit to doing it for that reason too. Our last gig, which was very noisy, it sounded like blah blah blah and they just wanted to dance and keep dancing.
_________________
Richard

King 1130 Flugabone
King 12C mouthpiece
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Oncewasaplayer
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 974

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, a dance gig requires music for dancing and little talking. However in a concert setting, you have an opportunity to help people understand and enjoy the music with just a few sentences. Trad music requires not only fluency in playing the music but also a bit of effort to be entertainers.
_________________
Getzen 800DLX cornet
Selmer Sigma trumpet
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
brassmusician
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Feb 2016
Posts: 273

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once had a very successful dixie gig in which I strung the titles of all the songs we were playing into an on going story about a missing band members girlfriend, audience found it funny. Must have been inspired that day because I haven't be able to repeat it since.
_________________
Cannonball 789RL
Yamaha 635ST
Yamaha 16C4
Wick 2BFL
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Richard III
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 22 May 2007
Posts: 2654
Location: Anacortes, WA

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brassmusician wrote:
Once had a very successful dixie gig in which I strung the titles of all the songs we were playing into an on going story about a missing band members girlfriend, audience found it funny. Must have been inspired that day because I haven't be able to repeat it since.


I love that idea. Nicely done!!!
_________________
Richard

King 1130 Flugabone
King 12C mouthpiece
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
jazz_trpt
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 25 Nov 2001
Posts: 5734
Location: Savoy, Illinois, USA

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually talk about the tune itself, when possible.
_________________
Jeff Helgesen
Free jazz solo transcriptions!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
JetJaguar
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 20 Nov 2006
Posts: 1518
Location: Vancouver, BC

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eubie Blake refused to use the word "jazz" because it was a synonym for the F word. He referred to what others called jazz as Ragtime. I had a literature professor who concurred on the original meaning of Jazz as well.
_________________
1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece

I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BeboppinFool
Donald Reinhardt Forum Moderator


Joined: 28 Dec 2001
Posts: 6437
Location: AVL|NC|USA

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I led a gig once (2004 or so) and a lady came up to me afterward and thanked me for not trying to turn a concert into a jazz education seminar. She said "We already know the history, just play the music for us." Ever since then I have not tried to "educate" any audience.
_________________
Puttin’ On The Ritz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
jhatpro
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 17 Mar 2002
Posts: 10204
Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry to hear that, Rich. I'm sure you know a ton about jazz and I'll bet the rest of the audience enjoyed what you had to say. It's too bad you've stopped sharing your knowledge because of one egotistical listener.
_________________
Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Turkle
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Posts: 2450
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love talking about the music and the audience loves it as well!

"This is an old tune by Bob Haggart, Dexter Gordon used to play this one about as smooth as it can be done"

"Harry James made this one popular in the '40s, please enjoy"

"When Dinah Washington sang this, you knew she truly had been both in and out of the money. We're gonna try to play this one like we're out of the money."

"Here's one Ellington wrote to showcase the talents of (Cat Anderson / Johnny Hodges / etc.). I'm going to play this one about two octaves lower than Cat played it."

Little anecdotes and jokes like that make people feel like they're part of a jazz tradition. Not trying to "educate" them like it's a lecture! Just sharing tidbits about the music and the history and keeping it light.
_________________
Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
Yamaha 8310Z flugel
Curry 3.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Billy B
Heavyweight Member


Joined: 12 Feb 2004
Posts: 6130
Location: Des Moines

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally do not want to listen to a Jazz history lesson.

Interacting with the audience is fine, just leave the Jazz 101 lecture out of it.
_________________
Bill Bergren
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
loplop
New Member


Joined: 13 Feb 2017
Posts: 10

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, @turkle has the right approach here. That is an interactive, interesting way to engage with an audience.

I heard a very similar approach on Dave Douglas’ tour to support his Dada People album. In that case, he was helping to tie together the Music with the art that inspired it. It was a great addition that increased my enjoyment and understanding of the music, even though I knew the album well.

Jazz 101 is not that, IMO.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    trumpetherald.com Forum Index -> Jazz/Commercial All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group