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BobD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 1251 Location: Boston MA
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:01 am Post subject: Schagerl vs Yamaha |
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Just wondering how a Schagerl JM1/JM2 compares to a Xeno. Are the Schargerl's a step down? Seems like they are considered an entry pro or intermediate pro horn depending on the website. Where as a Xeno is definitely a pro horn.
I may have just answered my own question..... _________________ Adams/ACB collaborative
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trickg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 5675 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:59 am Post subject: |
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I've had the opportunity to look at a couple of them, and to play one of them. Regardless of how they are marketed, they are put together very well, and the one I played, at least for the short amount of time I got to try it, seemed to play very well - it was brilliant, lively, had an easy blow, etc.
It's definitely something I'd consider if I was in the market for a new horn, maybe even more than the Xeno. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
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BobD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 1251 Location: Boston MA
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Interesting.
How did it compare to your 1600i? _________________ Adams/ACB collaborative
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snichols Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Posts: 586 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:05 am Post subject: |
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When you say "brilliant", do you mean in a "lightweight, commercial horn" way? Or do you think it could be used as an all-around horn? I personally love the focused, centered feel and blow of the Xeno II's... Would you say there is still decent body and core to the JM's? |
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trickg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 5675 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:24 am Post subject: |
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The one I played was pretty lightweight, but it would be hard to really say how it compared to the Jupiter except that the Jupiter blows kind of like a Bach, and this felt kind of like a Schilke. For me, I think that it would have been more of a commercial/big band horn than a legit horn.
Then again, this was about 2 years ago and I got less than 5 minutes on it - I didn't really get to put it through its paces at all, so take anything I have to say with a grain of salt. With that in mind, I just remember that it had an easy blow, fast response, an upper register with balanced resistance, and a brilliant, bright sound, all on top of being very nice from a fit and finish perspective. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2662 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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It is sort of hard to keep track of Schagerl instruments. Some of the Morrison horns were made in Australia at their factory. Others in China.
I played one of the Austrian ones (serial # 0007 no less) and it was pretty well one of the best horns I have played. Some of the others... not so good. at all.
These days, I have zero idea where they are sourced from. Their top level instruments are just that, top level and VERY VERY good!
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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Existentialist Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 193
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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For what it's worth, I was told my new horn has a Schagerl valve block. They are VERY nice valves. _________________ Adams A9 (medium bore)
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p76 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1070 Location: The Golden City of OZ
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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There are two levels of James Morrison instruments - the JM1/JM2 entry level pro instruments and the James Morrison Meister.
The JM1/JM2 are certainly a match for a Xeno, and pretty sure they are made in Austria (the student level horns are Chinese I think).
Have had the chance to play the JM1 and JM2 a bit and loved them - very good slotting, and a really nice rich tone.
I think it's the JM2 which is marketed more as a "classical" horn, and has heavy caps and a twin-wall leadpipe. It's a really great horn.
My 2c
Cheers,
Roger _________________ Bb - Selmer Radial, Yamaha YTR634, Kanstul 1001, Kanstul 700.
C - Yamaha 641.
Cornet - Olds Ambassador A6T, Besson 723, Olds Ambassador Long.
Flugel - Kanstul 1525
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brassmusician Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I tried the JM1 and JM2 a while back and I was unimpressed for the price point. I think the Carolbrass prohorns offer better value. Sorry can't compare to Xeno II as I have not played one. _________________ Cannonball 789RL
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Brent Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Posts: 1097 Location: St. Paul, MN
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:40 pm Post subject: Xeno |
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Haven't played the JM models.
I think the newest Xenos are some of the best horns out there. I played a Xeno as well as a new top of the line Strad, and for me, it wasn't even close. _________________ Brent |
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