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brl2833 Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:41 pm Post subject: D-E Piccolo Trumpet Trill |
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I use 4th valve for low D (sound 4th line D) on the piccolo. What is an easy fingering to trill to the E above that without letting the 4th valve up?
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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There isn't really one...
Atleast, not one you'd want to use - you could do it 4 to 4+3 (or 4+2+1) but then you're trilling between harmonics (you'd be getting the D from the G harmonic and the E from the C harmonic) and that's something you don't want to do if you don't have to.
I suppose you *could* do it by playing that D on 4+3+1 and 4+3 for the E, but I can't for the life of my think why you'd want to...
Really, you want to be going 1+3 to 3 and not using 4th for this particular trill - it may seem a waste to have it there and not use it but it's a useful tool for some jobs, not something you have to use at every possible moment.
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Why not play the D 1+3 and use the first valve as the "trill key"? _________________ -Tom Hall-
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Nonsense Eliminator Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I have two (2) slightly insane answers to this question.
(1) You can, believe it or not, play E 2-3-4... at least I can on my horn. So you could trill 234-4 if you wanted.
(2) This is pretty convoluted... but it's actually what I do if the trill is long. (I'm assuming a baroque trill starting on the E.) Play the E 1-2. Play the D 4th valve... with your left index finger. Meanwhile, move the first finger of your right hand to the 3rd valve. Then trill 3-4, but using fingers 1-2. It sounds nuts, but it's actually in tune.
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In experimenting with this just now, I have discovered that I think 234-4 actually works surprisingly well. I would probably still start the trill with the E fingered 1-2, though. _________________ Richard Sandals
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Nonsense Eliminator wrote: | I have two (2) slightly insane answers to this question.
(1) You can, believe it or not, play E 2-3-4... at least I can on my horn. So you could trill 234-4 if you wanted.
(2) This is pretty convoluted... but it's actually what I do if the trill is long. (I'm assuming a baroque trill starting on the E.) Play the E 1-2. Play the D 4th valve... with your left index finger. Meanwhile, move the first finger of your right hand to the 3rd valve. Then trill 3-4, but using fingers 1-2. It sounds nuts, but it's actually in tune.
BUT
In experimenting with this just now, I have discovered that I think 234-4 actually works surprisingly well. I would probably still start the trill with the E fingered 1-2, though. |
It's worth reading TH just for stuff like this. I'll have to dig out my picc and try this sometime soon. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another vote for using 13 for the D and 3 for the E. It's a trill; unless the intonation is REALLY bad, you can probably get away with it. I tried Richard's 234-4 earlier tonight and it works quite well, but it seems unnecessary. |
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rdhaynes Regular Member
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I'm curious, what piece?
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