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Craig S Regular Member
Joined: 22 Apr 2018 Posts: 70 Location: Muncie, IN
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:22 pm Post subject: What kind of swab do you use for cleaning? |
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I'm looking for an all-around swab for my horn. I want something that can be used to swab the lead pipe and main tuning slide after playing. Something that can be used either after or during cleaning. I do currently have a rubber-coated snake, but I don't like the fact that I can't get around all of the curves of the other tuning slides without worrying about scratching the inside of them. So, what do you all use and why? |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 3826 Location: Greece
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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I use Bob Reeves swab since 2004 , great quality, cheap and never had any problems.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
Reeves/Purviance mpcs |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2411 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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I used to use the Bob Reeves swab. It's a good choice. But nowadays, I use the Hodge Silk Trumpet Swab.
I'm also pretty sure someone on this site make the "Best Damn" swab.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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I've only ever used the ones I've gotten from Reeves. But quite recently the maker of TBDLPSP has gifted me one but I've yet to give it a go. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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starkadder Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 542
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:05 pm Post subject: Home-made |
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I made my own swab using a healthy length of weed-eater line and some nylon string. I melt the weed-eater line's end to a ball, and tie on about a yard of nylon string. Half-way down the string I make a loop for threading a flannel swab (a strip from old bed linen).
The weed eater line easily snakes through anything, even a cornet. The extra length of the string, behind the loop, lets me back the swab out if it gets stuck. |
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Gregory Gilmore Veteran Member
Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 128
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:26 pm Post subject: Swabs... |
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I used to use a Bob Reeves lead pipe swab until the cord broke with the swab in the pipe after a matinee...I finally got it out for the evening show but I no longer use them... |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 722 Location: SE US
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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I use the BlowDry Brass product at the end of every day on the horn(s) that have been played that day.
The pic below is of the 2nd valve slide of my NY7 that is a little more than 1 1/2 years old and has been played and cleaned with BDB at the end of every day (2 minutes tops) It has never been cleaned in the traditional way. I do run water through it about every 3 months to keep the water key openings clear.
The BDB does require a very clean environment to begin with, so regarding my older horns, I spent a few hours cleaning those to the best of my ability before beginning the BDB program on them. I did have my '71 Benge chem cleaned at Osmun by James Becker recently along with a complete Valve Job, and plan to continue the BDB on that horn as well.
I know that a lot of people don't want to go through all of that, but all I can say about BDB is that it really works for me.
Kind Regards,
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
Reeves 41 Rimmed Mouthpieces |
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BraeGrimes Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2011 Posts: 269 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I've used the Yamaha trumpet leadpipe and tuning slide swab. Most microfibre swabs are thick and the weights on them prohibit them from going through the tuning slide (and other slides for that matter). The hodge silk ones are good (they changed the weight on them at one point, which was annoying) but I find silk is absorbent to a point before becoming too wet. Apart from being fairly inexpensive, the Yamaha one has lasted ages, multiple horns, and does all I need. |
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 8951 Location: Monument, CO
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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The Best, of course! _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 4800
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Well....
Just this past Sunday, I finished a 2-week run of a musical and I found out that my 2nd trumpet has been a proud owner and user of TBDTLPSP! for 11 1/2 years. She purchased 2 not long after we started selling them. In fact, she has swabs 32 & 33...both of which she still uses on regular basis.
(No, they're not numbered - I keep a sales log with name, date of sale, amount purchased, etc.)
Anyway, to be expected, the cords had stretched a bit (comes from regular use), and the material had darkened a bit (also comes from regular use).
But after 11 1/2 years, they were still going strong with no sign of stopping any time soon.
Other products that people pay a LOT of money for and get only ONE...gee...you can buy an entire jar of them (16 per jar) for under $5 and get the exact same thing. Plus, once you blow them through, your breath has moisture, so the "dry" part...not so much so.
Just sayin' ya know? _________________ Tim Wendt
www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=146827&s=The-Best-Trumpet-Lead-Pipe-Swab-EVER--
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPWAJqghk24&feature=youtu.be |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Ah, Spitballs. Fond memories of being in junior high school and when those things first showed up. I'll never forget kids stuffing them into horns that had NEVER ever been cleaned and the unholy, terrible, disgusting discharge that exploded onto the floor, or worse, the back of the clarinet players head. Good times. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 5299 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I just wish I could find one that was long enough to work on my flugel. I don't know if it's the wrap or something to do with flugels in general, but it collects gunk faster than the next three horns I can think of combined.
If I got something like a spitball stuck in there, I'm not sure I could even get it out again. I end up doing the bathtub soak and rinse quite frequently instead. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 4800
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:40 am Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | I just wish I could find one that was long enough to work on my flugel. I don't know if it's the wrap or something to do with flugels in general, but it collects gunk faster than the next three horns I can think of combined. |
We experimented with a "flugel-length" swab but sadly, the drawbacks were greater than any advantage it might have given. For one thing - the extra length of the cord increased the chances of tangles and knots when you store it.
The only style of valve cluster that it came close to working on was a straight-thru cluster.
As to Spit Balls (that I use whenever I give a horn a complete cleaning) - I've never had a problem with them getting stuck. The secret is to put one in the lead pipe then push it down a few inches with a pencil or mouthpiece back bore brush (that gives some space to build pressure behind it when you blow) and then blow hard - it'll go thru. _________________ Tim Wendt
www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=146827&s=The-Best-Trumpet-Lead-Pipe-Swab-EVER--
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPWAJqghk24&feature=youtu.be |
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boog Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2014 Posts: 247
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 9:36 am Post subject: |
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I also make my own, using "seine twine" from Wal-Mart and gun cleaning patches. I tie a lead fishing line weight to one end and shake it through the horn. To hold the swab, I make a loop in the other end. Don't use too big a swab, as it can get stuck. Try running it through one of the removable slides before you run it through other areas. The idea of tying a string behind the swab is a good one. You can make flugel-length swabs this way, also. I have been doing this for years without problems.
For lead pipe cleaning after playing, a gun cleaning rod kit works well. You may also use brass gun cleaning brushes with these to remove corrosion and debris on neglected instruments. I also have a couple of "tube brushes" with long handles and nylon bristles to clean lead pipes. The 3/8 or 5/16 inch sizes work great! These are quite hard to find these days, though. The 1/2 inch sizes seem to be the most common, at least in my area. You might try a radiator shop or an automatic transmission repair shop or supply house to find one, or any business that has to brush out tubes of any sort.
Unless you are a kid, Spitballs are a waste of money. Just flush it out in the kitchen sink using the sprayer hose! |
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Craig S Regular Member
Joined: 22 Apr 2018 Posts: 70 Location: Muncie, IN
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the replies, thus far! I appreciate all of the input. Please, keep them coming!
I do have a question: I have seen the post from several years ago of your thoughts, Tim, on the Brass Saver and Bob Reeves' swab, but what makes Tim's swab so much better than the alternatives? |
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Craig S Regular Member
Joined: 22 Apr 2018 Posts: 70 Location: Muncie, IN
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Also, those of you who make your own and use lead weights, aren't you afraid of lead poisoning? Yes, lead it softer and less likely to cause damage to your horn, but isn't it probable that a small amount of lead would be left behind which you then inhale? |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | what makes Tim's swab so much better than the alternatives? |
The swab is built like Sherman tank. The chamois works better than any of the alternatives. It's the perfect tool for the job and lasts forever.
In fact, thanks for the OP. You reminded me to buy a couple more to put in the cases of my new horns.
Warm regards,
Grits _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2007 Posts: 4800
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Our material is sewn on, not clamped like Reeves. That clamp can scratch the inside of the pipes.
Our cord is long enough to be pulled thru the tuning slide AND lead pipe at the same time (eliminates having to re-grease the slide).
The Reeves cord can do only the tuning slide or the lead pipe alone, not both at once.
The weights are INSIDE the cord (kinda hard for lead to get thru the material), not tied on like the Reeves.
With the weights being inside the cord, the cord provides a bit of cushion, should the weights knock against the horn body.
The THREE weights (not one like Reeves) are separated so that it’s easier to work them around tight curves like the 1st 2nd & 3rd valve slides.
Every Reeves swab I had - the material either pulled off or the cord broke. Early on we had a few instances of the material tearing off the cord (that was from over-stitching the material, an issue we fixed), but the material never got stuck in the lead pipe like it did one time for me with a Reeves swab.
And I’ve already posted about the longevity of use of our swabs.
The Brass Saver only spreads moisture - it’s doesn’t have any absorbing capacity. _________________ Tim Wendt
www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=146827&s=The-Best-Trumpet-Lead-Pipe-Swab-EVER--
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPWAJqghk24&feature=youtu.be |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Seems to me that the spitball and similar products may help clear light debris and if you use alcohol then it could sanitize a bit. I wouldn't think that they would be particularly effective at drying. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2018 4:33 am Post subject: |
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I have and use Tim’s swabs, IMO they work VERY well, and really last a LONG time. Using them after every playing really helps keep the horn clean.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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