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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:51 am    Post subject: Pedal Tones 101 Reply with quote

I have produced a couple of video that explains the mechanics of the pedal (1st harmonic) resonance. And a reasonably more delicate musical aproach to playing pedal tones as an excercise.

These are both an explanation thst is not usually presented, and my approach.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the explanation about why the trpt no-valves 1st harmonic has a pitch much lower than expected.

When we 'lip-down' our open low C (the 2nd harmonic) and produce false tones that don't lie on the harmonic series for the tubing length, why is it that those tones do seem to resonate and 'lock=in'? Is it just a matter of the player having enough lip strength and coordination to vibrate the lips at those pitches - in spite of the horn's physics not reinforcing them?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do not "lock in" as you bend down from a low C.
the impedance gradually diminishes steadily.

I need to produce an explanation of why the Impedance peaks are easiest to play.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting! Thanks very much for these videos.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Music/trumpet.html#c4
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the video. This is familiar territory for anyone who plays natural or baroque trumpet in terms of how the frequencies fall, but I had never thought of it as related to the bell/bore size ratio. Interestingly, I have always used the pedal tones where they fall naturally in my practice, just assuming that was the right way. I do not really see them as usable notes, just something to practice for a number of reasons. So I was a little surprised at the idea that other notes are taught as pedal tones. Perhaps I was just never taught.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: Pedal Tones 101 Reply with quote

kalijah wrote:
I have produced a couple of video that explains the mechanics of the pedal (1st harmonic) resonance. And a reasonably more delicate musical aproach to playing pedal tones as an excercise.

These are both an explanation thst is not usually presented, and my approach.


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Loved this video, although i can play pedal C in tune, i'm definitely lipping up, my natural pedal C is Bb. Was wondering your thoughts on this though , When i use a traditional MP, with a normal C cup the pedals in the normal harmonic series are tough to get. the false pedals are easier to get with it though, But when i use a V shaped mouthpiece, IE curry TC the pedals are easier to get, but the false pedals not so much. Also, when i use a Whispa type mute, home made renuzit, the pedals fall right into place and in tune?
just something i've noticed.

thanks Darryl !!

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The instrument is not just the trumpet. The instrument is trumpet + mouthpiece. and sometimes + mute.

Different instruments have different accoustical qualities.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My instructor has had me working on bending notes and of course I can do it. I am though wondering what it will do for me in terms of developing overall skill. And keeping in mind I am 74.

Every time I practice I will spend a minute on this and also work on playing G n the staff long and softly.

Thank you!!
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