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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:04 pm Post subject: J. Geils trumpeter? |
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I have been seeing a lot of trumpets for sale lately listed as part of the J.Geills Collection.
One ad mentioned that the late rock star was a good jazz trumpeter as well as a collector of trumpets.
I find that fascinating and wonder if anyone here knows about Mr. Geils and his background in jazz. |
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mm55 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:46 am Post subject: |
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John Geils (aka J. Geils, Jay Geils) played trumpet in high school. He became famous as the guitarist in the J Geils Band. He died in the spring of 2017, and his belongings were auctioned off in the fall of 2017. He had collected dozens of cornets and trumpets (and mutes and trumpet cases), and even more guitars. There were also gold records, sound equipment, books, memorabilia, etc. He was also into horses and fast cars. Dick Salwitz, who played harmonica in the J. Geils Band, is also a trumpeter and collector of trumpets.
https://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/auction.php?start=0&limit=30&op=lots&view=30&sort_lot=0&saleno=3062T&display=list&noredir=1
After he became a famous blues/rock guitarist, Geils still kept up his trumpet playing as a hobby, sometimes visiting local jazz jam sessions, but he did not perform publicly on trumpet. _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:34 am Post subject: |
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mm55 wrote: | John Geils (aka J. Geils, Jay Geils) played trumpet in high school. He became famous as the guitarist in the J Geils Band. He died in the spring of 2017, and his belongings were auctioned off in the fall of 2017. He had collected dozens of cornets and trumpets (and mutes and trumpet cases), and even more guitars. There were also gold records, sound equipment, books, memorabilia, etc. He was also into horses and fast cars. Dick Salwitz, who played harmonica in the J. Geils Band, is also a trumpeter and collector of trumpets.
https://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/auction.php?start=0&limit=30&op=lots&view=30&sort_lot=0&saleno=3062T&display=list&noredir=1
After he became a famous blues/rock guitarist, Geils still kept up his trumpet playing as a hobby, sometimes visiting local jazz jam sessions, but he did not perform publicly on trumpet. |
Wow! Unless I miscounted, the man owned 95 trumpets, cornets and flugelhorns. He might have made his money playing guitar and singing rock and roll, but based on the number of horns compared to the number of guitars in that auction (6), his first and final love was the trumpet. |
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:36 am Post subject: |
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My blood runs cold when I see all those Committees. |
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falado Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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I got the J. Geils Benge CG Quinn the Eskimo had on eBay. It’s with Jim Becker at Osmun now. Played okay when I got it, but realized it need some work. It’s getting the remaining silver stripped, new leadpipe, PVA, etc, in other words, the Blueprint treatment. I can’t wait to get it back and put it to use.
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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JoseLindE4 wrote: | My blood runs cold when I see all those Committees. |
Touché. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Although, I'm not a fan of the J. Geils Band and have only a passing familiarity with his material, I didn't get the impression that his stuff was at all influenced by jazz, nor do I remember any horns playing prominent roles in his songs.
I guess he kept his genres compartmentalized, content to enjoy each on it's own terms, but not to merge them. It would be fun to hear some of his jazz trumpet playing. |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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The J. Geils front man called himself "Wubba Gubba with the green teeth."
I believe J kept the horns away from the act so as to avoid red rot (The Uptown Horns played with them quite a bit, actually).
It was a very eclectic collection. He had a couple Ambassadors, a collegiate or two and also a Capri in addition to the Committees. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: J. Geils trumpeter? |
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markp wrote: | I have been seeing a lot of trumpets for sale lately listed as part of the J.Geills Collection.
One ad mentioned that the late rock star was a good jazz trumpeter as well as a collector of trumpets. |
Two members of this band started out on the trumpet ... J. Geils and Richard Salwitz (who played harmonica in the band).
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Abraxas Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I just bought one of his 80A's. It's in the mail so I can't say much about it. I do recall seeing a video floating around with him giving someone a tour of his horn collection and I wish I could find it again. There is a video of him playing trumpet and I will post the link here. It's pretty modest, to say the most and he might be rolling in his grave to have it circulating. That was quite the horn collection he left behind though and i was surprised that most of the those horns sold pretty cheap. They would have done a lot better putting them on Feebay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s48B7M2hoX0 |
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Abraxas Veteran Member
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:19 am Post subject: |
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We might need to conduct some kind of welfare check in case any TH'ers fainted seeing that wall of horns. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
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Abraxas Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:05 am Post subject: |
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jetjaguar wrote: | We might need to conduct some kind of welfare check in case any TH'ers fainted seeing that wall of horns. |
Well have a look at his Estate's auction catalogue for more and the fine details. I think Committees should have dropped 25 % in price with the gusher of supply coming from his estate. |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:09 am Post subject: |
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There was a Super Recording of his on Ebeigh for a while. They were asking either 5k or 6k, I can't remember. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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Abraxas Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:36 am Post subject: |
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jetjaguar wrote: | There was a Super Recording of his on Ebeigh for a while. They were asking either 5k or 6k, I can't remember. |
Ebay regular Quinn The Eskimo bought a lot of them and resold them. Check the auction site as posted earlier for what they originally sold for at auction. |
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BraeGrimes Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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There were some bargains in there. Someone bought a King Silver Flair and Super 20 for about $1k - lucky. Lots of Committees too... a Couesnon flugel... seems like this guy liked trumpet heaps more than guitar (can't blame him). |
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Abraxas Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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BraeGrimes wrote: | There were some bargains in there. Someone bought a King Silver Flair and Super 20 for about $1k - lucky. Lots of Committees too... a Couesnon flugel... seems like this guy liked trumpet heaps more than guitar (can't blame him). |
That he did. Like so many rock stars from that era, they grew up steeped in jazz and always longed to return to it, which most actually did .... Charlie Watts, Ginger Baker, Bob Dylan and J Geils, to name a few, recorded jazz albums very late in their careers. |
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jazz_trpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:43 am Post subject: |
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JoseLindE4 wrote: | My blood runs cold when I see all those Committees. |
His memories have just been sold... _________________ Jeff Helgesen
Free jazz solo transcriptions! |
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Abraxas Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:03 am Post subject: |
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jazz_trpt wrote: | JoseLindE4 wrote: | My blood runs cold when I see all those Committees. |
His memories have just been sold... |
Ah Ha !!! I get it now !!! That first quote flew over my head. I was never a big fan of their commercial hits although I could really identify with "Love Stinks". I saw them in concert, about mid-seventies and they opened for Jefferson Starship. They were so good in concert that there was nothing left for Jefferson Starship and half the audience just left. Grace Slick walked across the front of the stage and gave everyone the finger, like it was all our fault. Anyhow, interesting that nobody soon thereafter would let them open for them and irregardless of how great and famous the bands were ... (eg. Rolling Stones), Geils always came on last. Wolf the lead singer was using the mic stands to pole vault across the stage while "Magic Dick' just had these waling harmonica solos smoldering out of his harp. Fantastic live showmanship. Geils was just in the background. I consider the 80A to be a great memento of such a seasoned live band. Funny though that Geils never incorporated horns into his music. All the more so since Magic Dick was at heart a trumpet player also. |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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For me it was Flamethrower, but at the time, Centerfold and Freeze Frame were getting plenty of air time too. I've only been to two rock concerts. One was Geils in about 1983, and the other was George Clinton's bunch, in maybe 2000. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
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