How is a Bach 5C different than a 5C with S on the shank?

StartingUpAgainAt53

Greetings,

I used to play a Bach 5C through High School. Since starting back up I found a 5C with S on the shank in my fathers collection and have been using that as it plays better. I remember trying back in high school but thought it blew to easy or not enough back pressure. Didn't feel I had the lung power to play it.

Now I do have the air to fill it and it plays/sounds better to me.

Wondering what the S represents?

Cheers,
Marc
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TKSop · Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:14 am Post subject:

The "S" stands for Symphonic - basically, you've got a bigger backbore #24) than the standard (#10) that an unmarked 5c would have.

As to how different it is.... Noticeably.
If it suits you, noticeably better... If it doesn't, noticeably worse

StartingUpAgainAt53 · Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:44 am Post subject:

Thanks!

StartingUpAgainAt53 · Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 6:32 pm Post subject:

And it suits me better! Larger, deeper sound and more open for higher notes.

Been playing it for about 2 -3 months now and still happy with it.

Cheers,
Marc

dr_trumpet · Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:30 pm Post subject:

A 5C is a great piece, and an "S" or symphonic backbore really can open it up and allow for a much more open feel to the mouthpiece.

A little-reported fact is that Vincent Bach expected people to have to alter his mouthpieces (I think he kind hoped people would "over" alter so he could sell a few more, but that may just be me!). He went so far as to distribute reamers with visits with college professors and suggested that the standard 27/10 configuration was a starting point. I've heard this story enough to believe it, yet have never seen one of the reamers (would love to have one). The alteration of the backbore was also possible. Not sure if Bach gave the measurements and how far the reamer went in for various backbores, but that would have been helpful!

Enjoy a mouthpiece with a large following in the classical world (I know Gerard Schwarz played a 5C, and have heard that Rold Smedvig played a 5B). The best mouthpiece? The one that works for you!

Good luck!

AL
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StartingUpAgainAt53 · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:18 pm Post subject:

Hi All,

Thanks for the answers. Looking to purchase a backup mouthpiece for traveling- what would be the most equivalent new Bach mouthpiece? Looking at the Bach mouthpiece guide they have both throat and backbore special configurations. What throat would this have and how could I determine that?

Cheers,
Marc

TKSop · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:14 am Post subject:

If it doesn't say otherwise it should be standard (#27).

No guarantees that the rim with be the same, if yours is an older one though...

benlewis · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:01 am Post subject:

I think Rolf played a 3B, I believe... He also had a first valve trigger on his Bb.

John Mohan · Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:56 am Post subject:

StartingUpAgainAt53 · Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:30 am Post subject:

Hi All,

Does the 5C "S" or symphonic version have a different throat (#25 I believe I saw somewhere on this site)? Just confirming as considering ordering mouthpiece with similar throat and back-bore.

Thanks!
Marc

John Mohan · Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:27 pm Post subject:

There is no Symphonic Series version of the 5C mouthpiece. The Bach Symphonic Series just encompasses the 1C, 1-1/4C and 1-1/2-C, each of which come with the #24 "Symphonic" Backbore and a choice of any throat size from 26 to 22. See:

https://www.conn-selmer.com/en-us/instruments/accessories/bach-mouthpieces/bach-symphonic-series-mouthpiece

You can order a Bach 5C mouthpiece with any backbore you want and with any throat you want, but it will not be something that is already in stock (unless you get real lucky).

Cheers,

John

StartingUpAgainAt53 · Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:32 pm Post subject:

Thanks John. I did find that site and found they no longer sell a 5C "S" but I actually have a Vincent Bach Corp 5C "S" from back in the '70's. Thinking about ordering a similar mouthpiece from another MFG besides Bach.

Cheers,
Marc

cheiden · Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:45 pm Post subject:

shofarguy · Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:46 pm Post subject:

I think the #24 Bach (Kanstul) back bore is my favorite.

If you want a 5C with a symphonic back bore, you could buy a 5-O from Flip Oakes. They are almost identical. The "O" back bore is a little darker, but with a sparkling fringe to the sound.
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