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matthes93401 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:18 pm Post subject: Solotone / Showtone mute uses |
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Hi T.H. Mute Conessuiers,
Can you please list some literature where these highly specialized mutes are played?
The opening of Pixar's "Up!" comes to mind, but that's all I can think of right now.
I'll take the suggestions and listen on YouTube to learn about this mute type.
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I used the Humes & Berg version (ClearTone) in the pit for Chicago and Seussical.
I'm sure there are other uses.
I don't recall it being called for in other shows I've played, but it may be that I just used a Harmon and left the stem in, which is pretty similar in sound. _________________ -Tom Hall-
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Kimberly Veteran Member
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Troy Sargent Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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There are sections for it in "the drowsy chaperone" _________________ www.tsargentmusic.com |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Going thru my show notes on "Solo Tone":
- Addams family
- Annie
- Anything Goes (2011 B'way revival, needed for all 3 trumpet parts)
- Cabaret (1998 version, both parts)
- Chicago / B'way original (both parts)
- Chicago / High School Edition (both parts)
- Curtains
- Drowsy Chaperone
- Elf (2017 tour version, both parts)
- Gefilte Fish Chronicles
- Guys and Dolls (2009 B'way revival...that will most likely never be licensed)
- Guys and Dolls (2008 Australian version)
- In the Heights
- Martin Short - Fame Becomes Me (will never be licensed)
- Nice Work if You Can Get It
- Parade
- The Producers (1st book only)
- Ragtime (2017 Ford's Theatre version)
- Thoroughly Modern Millie
- Wicked
- Will Rogers Follies
In every instance, Harmon with Stem can be substituted for Solo Tone. However, some MDs might be very particular to the more traditional "woodsy"-sound of an authentic Solo Tone mute. _________________ Tim Wendt
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matthes93401 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Appreciate all the replies! I'll try to sample these on YouTube.
I don't suppose there are Broadway excerpts books in existence?
Thanks again everyone! |
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Annie? Really?
What numbers? I don't recall using a SoloTone on that show...
I did think about messing with the first trombonist and transposing the opening down a half-step. _________________ -Tom Hall-
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Oncewasaplayer Heavyweight Member
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You see solotone mutes used in NOLA in trad bands. For instance, Kevin Clark (Dukes of Dixieland) frequently has one. It's all about adding colors to your playing and soloing. _________________ Getzen 800DLX cornet
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:23 am Post subject: |
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In addition to the show listed by "trpthrid" There are times, especially with older tunes/shows, that I've substituted a SoloTone when "Harmon" or "Cup" is written on the part.
If it's a solo line, and I don't have a mic right in front of me, I find the SoloTone to have more presence.
MuteMeister's (sold by Warburton) "ShowTone" is excellent _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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benlewis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:48 am Post subject: |
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I can add Forty Second Street (1986) to Tim's list....
HTH
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: |
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trpthrld wrote: | Tpt_Guy wrote: | Annie? Really?
What numbers? I don't recall using a SoloTone on that show... |
#13 - "Easy Street"
It's marked as "wood mute," which means Solo Tone.
I recently bought a H&B "Swish-Wah" aluminum mute. Of all the Harmons & bubble-style mutes that I have and to my ears, the Swish-Wah with stem comes the closest to sounding like an authentic, traditional Shastock Solo Tone mute. |
I've done a bunch of musical theater yet did not know that wood mute = Solotone. Thx Tim! _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:29 am Post subject: |
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cheiden wrote: |
I've done a bunch of musical theater yet did not know that wood mute = Solotone. Thx Tim! |
Wow, ya I didn't know that either. Learn something new every day.
benlewis wrote: | I can add Forty Second Street (1986) to Tim's list.... |
Thanks for the reminder. Not everyone in the section had a SoloTone so we used Harmons.[/quote] _________________ -Tom Hall-
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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cheiden wrote: | I've done a bunch of musical theater yet did not know that wood mute = Solotone. Thx Tim! |
"Annie" is the only show I've played (so far) with that mute marking. It just made sense, what with the time period of the show.
Here are some other uncommon mute markings and what, from my experience & asking questions, they mean:
“ET” = Extend Tube on Harmons
“Tin” = Harmon w/ stem in
“Tight” Cup - either wrap a handkerchief in the cup or move the cup closer to the bell. Could also use a Mica-Mute.
“Tight” Harmon - means Harmon with stem in.
“T.O” - “Tube Out” or “no stem.” _________________ Tim Wendt
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THE BD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Wizard of Oz also called for a Solo tone mute, don't recall which song it was though. _________________ Martin D Williams
Yeah, I did that! |
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matthes93401 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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zaferis wrote: | In addition to the show listed by "trpthrid" There are times, especially with older tunes/shows, that I've substituted a SoloTone when "Harmon" or "Cup" is written on the part.
If it's a solo line, and I don't have a mic right in front of me, I find the SoloTone to have more presence.
MuteMeister's (sold by Warburton) "ShowTone" is excellent |
I used to have a newer H&B Cleartone. The tube was misaligned, and the intonation was poor. Too bad the music stores and educators don't know the present quality level of H&B.
I'm wondering if anyone had done a comparison between the ShowTone and the offering from Wallace Mutes? Note: not wanting to turn this thread into an equipment discussion, there's already https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141940 > |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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trpthrld wrote: | Going thru my show notes on "Solo Tone":
- Addams family
- Annie
- Anything Goes (2011 B'way revival, needed for all 3 trumpet parts)
- Cabaret (1998 version, both parts)
- Chicago / B'way original (both parts)
- Chicago / High School Edition (both parts)
- Curtains
- Drowsy Chaperone
- Elf (2017 tour version, both parts)
- Gefilte Fish Chronicles
- Guys and Dolls (2009 B'way revival...that will most likely never be licensed)
- Guys and Dolls (2008 Australian version)
- In the Heights
- Martin Short - Fame Becomes Me (will never be licensed)
- Nice Work if You Can Get It
- Parade
- The Producers (1st book only)
- Ragtime (2017 Ford's Theatre version)
- Thoroughly Modern Millie
- Wicked
- Will Rogers Follies
In every instance, Harmon with Stem can be substituted for Solo Tone. However, some MDs might be very particular to the more traditional "woodsy"-sound of an authentic Solo Tone mute. |
Man oh man, I just went through my books for both Addams Family and Producers because I knew there were solotone mute parts in at least one of them (turned out in both), and THEN I read your post.
Could have saved myself some time if I'd seen it sooner.
Cheers,
John |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | trpthrld wrote: | Going thru my show notes on "Solo Tone":
- Addams family
- Annie
- Anything Goes (2011 B'way revival, needed for all 3 trumpet parts)
- Cabaret (1998 version, both parts)
- Chicago / B'way original (both parts)
- Chicago / High School Edition (both parts)
- Curtains
- Drowsy Chaperone
- Elf (2017 tour version, both parts)
- Gefilte Fish Chronicles
- Guys and Dolls (2009 B'way revival...that will most likely never be licensed)
- Guys and Dolls (2008 Australian version)
- In the Heights
- Martin Short - Fame Becomes Me (will never be licensed)
- Nice Work if You Can Get It
- Parade
- The Producers (1st book only)
- Ragtime (2017 Ford's Theatre version)
- Thoroughly Modern Millie
- Wicked
- Will Rogers Follies
In every instance, Harmon with Stem can be substituted for Solo Tone. However, some MDs might be very particular to the more traditional "woodsy"-sound of an authentic Solo Tone mute. |
Man oh man, I just went through my books for both Addams Family and Producers because I knew there were solotone mute parts in at least one of them (turned out in both), and THEN I read your post.
Could have saved myself some time if I'd seen it sooner.
Cheers,
John |
It is so cool to have people like Tim on here. |
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nyctrumpeter Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Solotone / Showtone mute uses |
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matthes93401 wrote: | Hi T.H. Mute Conessuiers,
Can you please list some literature where these highly specialized mutes are played?
The opening of Pixar's "Up!" comes to mind, but that's all I can think of right now.
I'll take the suggestions and listen on YouTube to learn about this mute type.
Thanks! |
I heard Rick Baptist talk about this. He suggested changing the straight mute marked to solotone and good thing they trusted his judgement as it really made that the right sound. _________________ CG Benge @1975
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