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Jg5 New Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:53 am Post subject: Which trumpet for marching band? |
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I am trying to decide between two trumpets, the King 1117sp and the King System Blue SB12. I will be using them only for marching band. Thoughts? |
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pinstriper Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Sep 2013 Posts: 340 Location: Portlandia, OR
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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1) If the Blue Devils think it works for a field program, who is to argue with them.
2) If you were in a program where it really mattered all that much, you'd have the answer already. _________________ ~'77 DEG Dynasty II Soprano Bugle in G
'13 Chinese POS "Hawk" branded Flugel
'59 Olds Ambassador Cornet
'51 Olds Super
'69 Olds Studio
'40 Olds Special Cornet, Military Issued |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8333 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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For me, it's the trumpet I care the least about that actually plays.
Bonus: if it has a lyre holder bracket. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12663 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Finn wrote: | For me, it's the trumpet I care the least about that actually plays.
Bonus: if it has a lyre holder bracket. |
+1 on the lyre.
The opportunities for horn damage are high in marching band. In some programs the chances of damage are lower. But they are still there, so choose one that plays well and looks decent from a distance. |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:26 am Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | The opportunities for horn damage are high in marching band. In some programs the chances of damage are lower. But they are still there, so choose one that plays well and looks decent from a distance. |
For that reason, when I played trumpet in high school marching band, Mom helped me purchase, and I played a second-hand King Cleveland from 1978 to 1980, which I kept polished up to look as good as it could. I blew the dickens out of that horn until I graduated and sold it because I went to an undergrad that did not have a football program, and therefore no marching band, street or field. During this time I kept my Dad's Super 20, which we refurbed in silver plate, in the case during marching season and brought it back out for concert band season. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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Betelgeuse215 Veteran Member
Joined: 20 May 2015 Posts: 186
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Never pick the more expensive one for marching band. Not worth it. Nobody is going to be hearing the difference in the stands and you'll save money on potential repairs. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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I play the one that's most efficient for you. Loud field shows are taxing enough without choosing anything but the most efficient. If neither is more efficient for you then choose the cheaper one. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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boog Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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My how the economy has improved! Thru High School and College, I could not afford more than one horn, or mouthpiece for that matter. Wind Ensemble, Orchestra, Brass Choir, Jazz Band, Rock gigs, Recitals, Lessons, all the same horn and mouthpiece. Buying a new horn, you sold or traded your old one to pay the new one down some.
When I graduated and got a real job, I could finally put more than one instrument in the closet. And that closet was in my own place, not Mama's... |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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boog wrote: | My how the economy has improved! Thru High School and College, I could not afford more than one horn, or mouthpiece for that matter. Wind Ensemble, Orchestra, Brass Choir, Jazz Band, Rock gigs, Recitals, Lessons, all the same horn and mouthpiece. Buying a new horn, you sold or traded your old one to pay the new one down some.
When I graduated and got a real job, I could finally put more than one instrument in the closet. And that closet was in my own place, not Mama's... |
Absolutely!!
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8333 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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boog wrote: | My how the economy has improved! Thru High School and College, I could not afford more than one horn, or mouthpiece for that matter. Wind Ensemble, Orchestra, Brass Choir, Jazz Band, Rock gigs, Recitals, Lessons, all the same horn and mouthpiece. Buying a new horn, you sold or traded your old one to pay the new one down some.
When I graduated and got a real job, I could finally put more than one instrument in the closet. And that closet was in my own place, not Mama's... |
A $75 Olds Ambassador or King Tempo should fit into most people's budgets. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Dennis78 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2015 Posts: 673 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Use the trumpet you already have. It works, you already have it and do you really expect it to last forever? Your trumpet can always be repaired or replaced _________________ a few different ones |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 725 Location: SE US
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:36 am Post subject: |
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boog wrote: | My how the economy has improved! Thru High School and College, I could not afford more than one horn, or mouthpiece for that matter. Wind Ensemble, Orchestra, Brass Choir, Jazz Band, Rock gigs, Recitals, Lessons, all the same horn and mouthpiece. Buying a new horn, you sold or traded your old one to pay the new one down some.
When I graduated and got a real job, I could finally put more than one instrument in the closet. And that closet was in my own place, not Mama's... |
You crack me up boog! _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
Reeves 41 Rimmed Mouthpieces |
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boog Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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The OP was asking which trumpet to buy for marching band...both the ones he mentioned cost about 6-7 times what my trumpet (a King Silver Flair) did back in the late '60's. Even adjusting for inflation, that's a lot for a beater...
Heck, what was a poor farm boy to do?? |
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MrOlds Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Apr 2003 Posts: 724 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely no snark intended. If I were making this decision I’d go with a pTrumpet. Sounds better than a used beater. Much lighter to hold up while slogging around.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLAHSgZaMU0 |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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MrOlds wrote: | Absolutely no snark intended. If I were making this decision I’d go with a pTrumpet. Sounds better than a used beater. Much lighter to hold up while slogging around.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLAHSgZaMU0 | None of the marching bands nor drum corps I am familiar with would allow this.
Perhaps they might if Allison is playing it on the field. |
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MrOlds Heavyweight Member
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Tritone Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Since it's rare for a musician to play in just a marching band and no other groups, I'll presume that the OP has another horn to use for other purposes.
Next, I'll also presume that there's less need for finesse and nuanced sound when marching as compared to other times -- it surely was that way when I slogged through mud and snow in close formation.
Third, I'll presume that there's a high chance of having someone else bash into your horn when it's not your fault. Definitely was that way for me -- and ours was considered a top-flight band. I still remember a usually pretty bright guy named Darrell who somehow ended up marching at me and just in front of my bell, within feet of the audience... resulting in a particularly snappy spin turn on Darrell's part and some, uh, verbal encouragement from the rest of us.
If either of your two candidate horns doesn't play decently, forget that one. If neither does, forget them both. If they both are serviceable and they both are sufficiently presentable for whatever the group expects, get the one you won't mind getting bashed up - which usually means the cheaper one. Sure, you can get many injuries repaired, but repairs cost money, some repairs aren't worth it, and some injuries are fatal (like when an otherwise fine player named Mike realized that his horn was in its case just behind the bus... as the bus was backing up). |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:13 am Post subject: |
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MrOlds wrote: | Absolutely no snark intended. If I were making this decision I’d go with a pTrumpet. Sounds better than a used beater. Much lighter to hold up while slogging around.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLAHSgZaMU0 |
Having played it and many used beaters, there's no way it sounds better than a used beater.
Also, projection is a bit of an issue, not ideal for marching. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: |
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When I was in college marching band I had just bought my first pro horn, a silver Getzen Severinsen, and spent most of my freshman year polishing the rehearsal crud off of it (we rehearsed on a muddy field). My sophomore year I brought the Olds Ambassador I had used in high school and saved my shiny horn for indoor playing.
I would always recommend a beater horn for marching band. Olds Ambassadors are still the best beaters. They are solidly built and harder to dent, and they play pretty well, too. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
1995 UMI Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:02 am Post subject: Marching band horn |
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Did you check with the band director if he knows of any used trumpets for sale? _________________ King 603 cornet American wrap
Yamaha 2330 Shepherds crook
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold mouthpiece
Getzen 4 B mouthpiece
Yamaha 11 e mouthpiece |
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