Who is that playing trumpet with Shostakovich?

JohnCage

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zYOpnq6h_Ms

Is there anybody who would tell me who is the trumpeter?

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richardwy · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:23 am Post subject:

If you have Timofei Dokshizer's autobiography Trumpeter on a Horse, take a peek at page 53.

There's a photo of the Boshoi Theater trumpet players from 1946. I thought for a moment, I knew which one appears on the Youtube clip.

Now I don't. 12 year difference between photo and clip.

Nope. I can't ID him.

Interesting. Under the comments section, page 2, somone says its Timofei. TD was born 12/13/1921. He would have been about 12 years old. Nope. Not he.
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oj · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:30 am Post subject:

Could it be Dokshizer's teacher Mikhail I. Tabakov?
He had a body like the guy in the video.

For sure, it is not Dokshizer.

Nice to se Shosta playing his own piece!

Ole

trpt.hick · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject:

Not certain, but I believe Tabakov always played rotary trumpets.

oj · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject:

Dave are probably right. (It is not Tabakov either)

I've sent a message to Ed. Tarr, he may know (he wrote about russian trumpeters).

Ole

Derek Reaban · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:33 am Post subject:

My best guess would be Georgi Orvid. He was a soloist with the Bolshoi Theater Orchestra from 1930 to 1935 and was born in 1904 (so he would have been about 30 at the time of this recording). I don't have a picture of him as a young man, but based on the ITG journal article from October 2001, it appears that this is the player in the video.

Just a guess, but I think it's pretty close.
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oj · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:47 am Post subject:

Best guess so far, Derek.

..and Orvid is not playing the "pretzel" type of trumpet

When I hear something from Ed. Tarr, I'll get back to you.

Ole

tptfrbrains · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject:

I don't know who it is, and I don't want to change the subject, but I spent some time with Venjamin Margolin, former principal with the Leningrad State Philharmonic Orchestra (later, and earlier, the St. Petersburg Philharmonic) while on tour, and he told me that before WWII just about all orchestral trumpet players played rotaries, because almost allof their teachers came from Germany, or from other teachers who came from Germany. In any event, the german influence was amazingly strong, and it wasn't until Hitler's double-cross and invasion that the russian trumpet players turned their backs on things german.
It was, or still is, Margolins's opinion that because of the actual history, the authentic instruments for Rimsky-Korsakov and Tschaikovsky are rotary trumpets.

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ooohlamer · Regular Member Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 17

Poor Shostakovich, the guy is playing right in his ear.

oj · Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject:

I got a reply from Tarr. He is on vacation in Spain and have no access to reference material. Not Tabakov (of cource) and he don't think it is Orvid either. Tarr said this:

JohnCage · Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:27 am Post subject:

What do you think about this?

http://www.panartist.com/dmitrishostakovich.htm
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oj · Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject:

Yes, perhaps this is the player, Josif Volovnik.

Ole

oj · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:16 am Post subject:

Alexander Nikolayevich Schmidt (1889 - 1955)

On page 143 in "East meets West" Tarr says the following:

oj · Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:51 am Post subject:

Ooops - the video is not from the premier in Leningrad. It is from Moscow.

Perhaps it was Sergey Yeriomin? He was in Moscow and was born in 1903. Means that he was 30 if this was in 1934. When I look at photos of him in Tarr's book, he looks quite like the player here.

It can not be Volovnik. He was born in 1915, so in 1934 he wouldhave been too young.

Orvid was born in 1904, but photos of him does not match the guy on the video clip.

Btw, Yeriomin premiered the Goedicke Concert Etude (in 1936).

Ole

Derek Reaban · Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject:

Thanks Ole! Interesting stuff. I'll have to find a copy of that book some day.
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Tom · Veteran Member Joined: 07 Jan 2003 Posts: 212

Pianist: Dmitri Shostakovich (1906-1975)
Trumpeter: Leonid Yuriev (1913-1971)
Conductor: Maybe Aleksandr Gauk (1893-1963)
Orchestra: Probably Leningrad Philharmonic
Venue: Moscow Conservatory "Great Hall"

TrpPro · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:04 pm Post subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYOpnq6h_Ms

kehaulani · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:42 pm Post subject:

Jjohn . . shouldn't you be keeping Silence?

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oj · Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:02 pm Post subject:

Not shirtless, like Putin.
And not with a trumpet, but with a bugle.
Young Timofei had a military uniform so he was dressed proper for his task as bugler.

Ole