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JohnCage Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: Who is that playing trumpet with Shostakovich? |
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=zYOpnq6h_Ms
Is there anybody who would tell me who is the trumpeter?
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richardwy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:23 am Post subject: |
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If you have Timofei Dokshizer's autobiography Trumpeter on a Horse, take a peek at page 53.
There's a photo of the Boshoi Theater trumpet players from 1946. I thought for a moment, I knew which one appears on the Youtube clip.
Now I don't. 12 year difference between photo and clip.
Nope. I can't ID him.
Interesting. Under the comments section, page 2, somone says its Timofei. TD was born 12/13/1921. He would have been about 12 years old. Nope. Not he. _________________ 1972 Selmer Radial |
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Could it be Dokshizer's teacher Mikhail I. Tabakov?
He had a body like the guy in the video.
For sure, it is not Dokshizer.
Nice to se Shosta playing his own piece!
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trpt.hick Rafael Méndez Forum Moderator
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Not certain, but I believe Tabakov always played rotary trumpets. |
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dave are probably right. (It is not Tabakov either)
I've sent a message to Ed. Tarr, he may know (he wrote about russian trumpeters).
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Derek Reaban Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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My best guess would be Georgi Orvid. He was a soloist with the Bolshoi Theater Orchestra from 1930 to 1935 and was born in 1904 (so he would have been about 30 at the time of this recording). I don't have a picture of him as a young man, but based on the ITG journal article from October 2001, it appears that this is the player in the video.
Just a guess, but I think it's pretty close. _________________ Derek Reaban
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Best guess so far, Derek.
..and Orvid is not playing the "pretzel" type of trumpet
When I hear something from Ed. Tarr, I'll get back to you.
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tptfrbrains Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know who it is, and I don't want to change the subject, but I spent some time with Venjamin Margolin, former principal with the Leningrad State Philharmonic Orchestra (later, and earlier, the St. Petersburg Philharmonic) while on tour, and he told me that before WWII just about all orchestral trumpet players played rotaries, because almost allof their teachers came from Germany, or from other teachers who came from Germany. In any event, the german influence was amazingly strong, and it wasn't until Hitler's double-cross and invasion that the russian trumpet players turned their backs on things german.
It was, or still is, Margolins's opinion that because of the actual history, the authentic instruments for Rimsky-Korsakov and Tschaikovsky are rotary trumpets.
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ooohlamer Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Poor Shostakovich, the guy is playing right in his ear. |
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I got a reply from Tarr. He is on vacation in Spain and have no access to reference material. Not Tabakov (of cource) and he don't think it is Orvid either. Tarr said this: Quote: | The answer, of course, is within Bolotin's text, and is also in my own book EAST MEETS WEST, but I can't remember the trumpeter's name at the moment. |
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JohnCage Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
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What do you think about this?
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, perhaps this is the player, Josif Volovnik.
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Alexander Nikolayevich Schmidt (1889 - 1955)
On page 143 in "East meets West" Tarr says the following: Quote: | On 15 October 1933, Schmidt was the first performer of Dmitiri Shostakovich's Concerto No. 1., for piano, trumpet and string orchestra, with the composer at the piano and the Leningrad Philharmonic conducted by Fritz Stiedry |
Schmidt was a student of Wurm and Johanson.
He was principal trumpet with Petrograd-Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra (1915 - 1946).
He was also a professor of trumpet at Leningrad Conservatory (1937 - 1953).
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Ooops - the video is not from the premier in Leningrad. It is from Moscow.
Perhaps it was Sergey Yeriomin? He was in Moscow and was born in 1903. Means that he was 30 if this was in 1934. When I look at photos of him in Tarr's book, he looks quite like the player here.
It can not be Volovnik. He was born in 1915, so in 1934 he wouldhave been too young.
Orvid was born in 1904, but photos of him does not match the guy on the video clip.
Btw, Yeriomin premiered the Goedicke Concert Etude (in 1936).
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Derek Reaban Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Ole! Interesting stuff. I'll have to find a copy of that book some day. _________________ Derek Reaban
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Tom Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: Shosta trumpet player |
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Pianist: Dmitri Shostakovich (1906-1975)
Trumpeter: Leonid Yuriev (1913-1971)
Conductor: Maybe Aleksandr Gauk (1893-1963)
Orchestra: Probably Leningrad Philharmonic
Venue: Moscow Conservatory "Great Hall" |
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Jjohn . . shouldn't you be keeping Silence? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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richardwy wrote: | If you have Timofei Dokshizer's autobiography Trumpeter on a Horse, take a peek at page 53.... |
I see this statement was contributed to this thread 11 years ago: Dokshizer's memoir was originally entitled Trumpeter on a Horse! I have to ask: Is this a Russian thing? Reminds me of a modern Russian person often in the news, riding a horse shirtless. Did Dokshizer ride shirtless with trumpet in hand!? Are there pictures in the book to confirm that this is a Russian thing, something they do to affirm that they've "arrived" in their respective career in life!? I grew up in west Texas with a couple of horses (yes, I'm feral), but never thought about riding shirtless with trumpet in hand. But in Russia, one was a tootin' and the other Putin'!! (Couldn't resist.) |
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oj Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Not shirtless, like Putin.
And not with a trumpet, but with a bugle.
Young Timofei had a military uniform so he was dressed proper for his task as bugler.
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