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area51recording Veteran Member
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Sure. Those are notes of the harmonic series that border each other. He's slurring them. Some might assert that's a lip trill while others might prefer to call it a shake, but he's not skipping any partials. |
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area51recording Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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He gets an almost percussive quality to it that I can't get my head around |
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deleted_user_02066fd New Member
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Love that piece. Freddie was a beast. I met him once and he was a very cool guy. |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I still have my original "Red Clay" LP from the early 70s. The back of the jacket has always intrigued me. Take a look, you'll see what I mean.
Back in the day, I would immediately put all of my new LPs on cassette so I wouldn't wear out the vinyl. When the cassette began to wear, I would record on cassette again. My entire collection has remained in very good condition all of these years because of this.
I once saw Freddie Hubbard presenting a clinic to a group of maybe 200 musicians at Southern University, New Orleans in the early 80s. His Calicchio somehow didn't make it from the airport, so he borrowed a horn from one of the attendees, a Bach Strad with a totally different mouthpiece than what he was currently playing, as I recall. Oh, and Ellis Marsalis, Wynton's Dad was sitting a few spaces down from me in the audience. Freddie blew a few notes, looked at the horn the way many of us do when playing a strange horn, kicked off the Trio and proceeded to blow us all away for the next hour! He told stories and took questions, appeared very relaxed, in total control and was a showman throughout.
Kindest regards,
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
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'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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It would be my bet that he is using alternate fingerings for the changes and banging them dont seem to be slurred partials to my ear. Nicetechnique even if it isn’t what he’s doing.
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MrOlds Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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They’re slurred partials starting on the upper partial. I’ve seen him do this in person. And there are YouTube clips of him doing this. |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Seems difficult to get that percussive quality, any explanations on what he’s doing to get it?
Rod |
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MrOlds Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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The way I hear it, each note pops into full resonance very quickly. So he must be spending very little time in the transition from partial to partial and maximizing the time spent in the sweet spot of each note. There’s probably a lot of air flowing as well.
Us mere mortals do lip trills more like a siren or sine wave, where we are almost always in transition and just barely touching the sweet spot of each partial before beginning the slide to the next one. |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Well Ill probably have to just keep doing the alternate fingerings to approach the sound then, On some partials the sound is almost identical. Some are harder and less in tune, but if fast a very similar result for mere mortals. Freddie was a true badass.
Rod |
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Blackquill Regular Member
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peanuts56 wrote: | Love that piece. Freddie was a beast. I met him once and he was a very cool guy. |
My trumpet teacher met him and said that Freddie wasn't a very nice guy...but I still love Freddie because of his musicianship! _________________ Trumpet is for extroverts only... no, wait... Trumpet is also for introverts who need an avenue for extrovertism! |
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mbarry Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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I transcribed a bunch of his tunes for a book that Hal Leonard published back in the early 1990's. This was one of the tunes I did, and that spot was really difficult to notate!
Amazing artist.
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PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds to me like like he might be tonguing the top note each time, and doing a quick "tee-aw" to change partials. He just does it at a pace and clarity most of us can only dream of. Maybe try the fingered part before it to warm up, like he likely did. _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
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BraeGrimes Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Rod Haney wrote: | It would be my bet that he is using alternate fingerings for the changes and banging them dont seem to be slurred partials to my ear. Nicetechnique even if it isn’t what he’s doing.
Rod |
Def. not what he's doing. |
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Jeff251 New Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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At the top of his game, there was no one better than Freddie! _________________ Jeff W.
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garrettjazzer New Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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This lick is an animal of its own! |
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