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gstump Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:09 pm Post subject: Yamaha Trumpets |
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My Schilke B5 is a stellar lightweight horn. As I get older and execute numerous come backs my sound is more and more brittle. So the B5 takes no prisoners.
I am interested in hearing from Yamaha enthusiasts regarding heavier horns.
Like Schilkes, I believe the Yamahas have consistency regarding evenness of tone, intonation and manufacturing tolerances.
I most likely will not go out and play lead anymore. Just want to sound ok!
I appreciate any input.
Gordon Stump
` _________________ Schilke B5
Couesnon Flug (1967)
Funk Brothers Horn Section/Caruso Student
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Yamahaguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Gordon,
I'm not sure the issue is with the weight of the horn...it might be the reverse lead pipe?
I have always struggled with my B1 and just can't figure
it out. Therefore it sits in the basement until I decide to sell it.
I have several super light Benges that are not a problem, as well as a very
heavy Bach Vindabona. For me, it was about finding the ideal setup for each
horn (sometimes requiring a backbore change).
That being said, the Yamaha has been a trusty horn for many years. Each
horn has different characteristics and depending on the gig I use what suits
my needs.
PM me if you would like more info, thanks!
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9013 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Yamaha Trumpets |
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gstump wrote: | I am interested in hearing from Yamaha enthusiasts regarding heavier horns.` |
I owned a Schilke B and just had two weeks with a Yamaha Shew and did not notice a significant difference in weight. The Shew was a killer horn. You might give that a try. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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gstump Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Yamaha Trumpets |
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kehaulani wrote: | The Shew was a killer horn. You might give that a try. |
Thank you kindly.
Gordon Stump _________________ Schilke B5
Couesnon Flug (1967)
Funk Brothers Horn Section/Caruso Student |
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 1531 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:33 pm Post subject: Yamaha trumpets |
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Hello Gordon,
The B5 has a copper bell. If you want a little more core and weight go to a Schilke S32. An S33HD will give you a little more resistance. The newer Yamahas are nice, and there are many people out there who stand by their Shew horns...At that rate you might try a B7 which is the Schilke model of Shew...for the most part, or the tighter B6. That is if you want to stay with the light weights. The S models are hefty. I have always liked your avatar! _________________ Christian K. Peters
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gstump Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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I am a huge fan and supporter of low land gorillas, hence the avatar. I wish I was a gorilla lead player.
Thanks for your input. More core would be nice.
Gordon _________________ Schilke B5
Couesnon Flug (1967)
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Trombacan Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Give the Xeno 8335RS a blow. I find it to be a very balanced, solid horn with lots of color to the sound. _________________ "It's simple, it just isn't easy" - VC |
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F.E. Olds Nut Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I was on a Schilke B1 for about 5 years and thought it was the best trumpet I've ever played, until I tried the Yamaha 8335LA. It plays similarly to the B1 but has a more even blow, a fatter, more secure bottom end, and overall plays more solidly than the Schilke. I was so impressed with it I bought one in April and I haven't touched the Schilke since. _________________ Del Quadro "The Mother" |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I haven't owned any Yamahas, but I make it a point to try whatever I can get my lips on. The Yamaha LA model was way too open for me to handle. I love the response of the latest Yamaha Artist models, but the latest Xenos have a heavier sound.
I know you specifically asked about heavier Yamaha trumpets, but have you recently tried any heavier Schilke trumpets?These 3 Schilke trumpets have a similar bell shape as your B5, but they are all heavier than your B5, with the HD being the heaviest. |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:59 am Post subject: |
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F.E. Olds Nut wrote: | I was on a Schilke B1 for about 5 years and thought it was the best trumpet I've ever played, until I tried the Yamaha 8335LA. It plays similarly to the B1 but has a more even blow, a fatter, more secure bottom end, and overall plays more solidly than the Schilke. I was so impressed with it I bought one in April and I haven't touched the Schilke since. |
A friend of mine - a monster lead player - plays the 8335LA and he loves it. I haven't played it.
I love the 8310z - lightweight but with a big bell, extraordinarily in tune, and top-notch flexibility and response in all registers. But if you're looking for a heavier horn, this ain't it. The big bell does mean that you can still get a rich sound when you want it, but this thing will brighten right up when you hit the jets. I defy you to find a trumpet that is more fun to play than the 8301z. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
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gstump Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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I did try an S32 when they first came out. I was my understanding Schilke wanted to go after the Bach market. It played like a Bach!
Thanks everyone for all the input. I think a used Xeno 8335 is in my future. Not sure about a reverse lead pipe or regular. I like the blow of the reverse lead pipe on my B5. But the bell flare gives me the resistance I need especially at my advanced age! _________________ Schilke B5
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Pete Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Gordon,
I have been playing my 8310Z since 2005. I have a few other horns, but I play this probably 90% of the time. It is a great horn for just about everything.
Pete |
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Gordon. I've played a Yamaha Xeno 8335IIs for several years now, and I've been very happy with it. I have the standard leadpipe version. I play-tested two reverse leadpipe models when I was shopping. I prefer the standard, but the reverse models were pretty good too.
Here's a blog post from Chase Sanborn in which he described the playing characteristics of the Xeno model variations, including the std and reverse leadpipe models. I think he described them pretty well. _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: |
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And I would suggest ordering it from a store with a liberal return process. I just returned an excellent Yamaha Z to wwbw.com with no questions asked.
p.s. it was an outstanding horn. Just didn't give me added-value over my Committee. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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gstump Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Thank you one and all for your responses to my query. I dropped my B5 off at Kevin Powers at Michigan Musical Instrument Service. Kevin worked at Schilke and no one else can touch my horns.
My tuning slide was frozen. As a woodworker who is very dangerous working on trumpets, I made a hardwood wedge to match the contour of the tuning slide crook and gave it a wack. The crook is now an oval. I am hoping this and all the green corrosion has made my B5 blow smaller and my lip and tone for crap.
One of my "all growed" up students/professional musician and his colleague/friend invited me to their home to try out some horns including a 8335 LA and Schilke S32L. I am hoping the B5 will open up some and I will not need to get another horn.
It is a shame there seems to be no music store in Metro Detroit where you can try professional trumpets anymore.
Thanks again for all the input. The generosity of others is wonderful.
Update
The B5 is back from Kevin and it is back to playing more open with the right amount of resistance. I sound slightly less crappy. No more blaming equipment for my old lips!
Gordon _________________ Schilke B5
Couesnon Flug (1967)
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