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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Jun 2017 Posts: 104 Location: Muskegon, MI
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:57 am Post subject: Headphones for Practice |
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Hey all,
I'm looking for a good pair of open headphones to practice along with recordings, especially jazz transcriptions. What do you use? I'm looking at AKG K-240 headphones right now.
Looking for something that allows my own playing sound to enter when I'm listening and playing along. I have good closed-ear headphones for intentional listening.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Tyler |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2330 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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For use with a Yamaha Silent Brass system, I find I like the over ear headphones. I have a Bose set.. I feel pretty comfortable with what I hear, and find the over-ear design provides an interesting perspective. Almost like hearing yourself in the 3rd person/from the front end of the trumpet.
There is little point to hearing the accoustic side of this kind of setup... opening one ear, or partially covering each ear is always optional.
The best quality headphone, giving you the best sound and most dynamic control, then adjust how you wear them..
Yea! Muskegon. I grew up on Terrace St.
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 725 Location: SE US
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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zaferis wrote: | For use with a Yamaha Silent Brass system, I find I like the over ear headphones. I have a Bose set.. I feel pretty comfortable with what I hear, and find the over-ear design provides an interesting perspective. Almost like hearing yourself in the 3rd person/from the front end of the trumpet.
There is little point to hearing the accoustic side of this kind of setup... opening one ear, or partially covering each ear is always optional. |
Ditto! Similar set up for me but with Bose On Ear Noise Cancelling phones.
I patch my iPad into the Auxiliary jack of the SB for "woodshedding" with YouTube and iTunes recordings. I appreciate the ability to dial myself into the mix with adjustment from my iPad and Silent Brass volume controls. A key element is playing "lightly" whenever the SB mute is in place. Overblowing can have adverse effects on your chops and requires conscientious application of the appropriate awareness.
Out of necessity, I practiced for a little more than an hour this morning using this very setup and will repeat again tomorrow morning for an upcoming Jazz Ensemble Performance on Friday and prep for an upcoming Chamber Orchestra rehearsal on Saturday and performance in a few weeks. I have utilized this setup for warmup and practice when traveling with my Wife sitting very nearby in hotel rooms with no complaint. I keep a pair of Sennheiser in-ear pods in my horn cases to use with my SB for backstage warmup often as well and that works in a similar fashion as my Bose On Ear Ear phones when less bulk becomes necessary.
Hope you have a great experience.
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 390 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Headphones for Practice |
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tyler.slamkowski wrote: | Hey all,
I'm looking for a good pair of open headphones to practice along with recordings, especially jazz transcriptions. What do you use? I'm looking at AKG K-240 headphones right now.
Looking for something that allows my own playing sound to enter when I'm listening and playing along. I have good closed-ear headphones for intentional listening.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Tyler |
I used AKG240's from 1989 until a couple of years ago, before Philips realized that their 9500 'phones (which could be found on deep sale for $50) could be sold for $200 and more. If you can find a good price on SHP9500S -- they are great -- efficient, fairly neutral, and very comfortable for prolonged use -- more comfortable than the AKG240, and, they let in just the right amount of sound when playing and listening at the same time. At $200 or $300, though, I'd want to see what else is available in the price range.
BEWARE -- the current AKG240's are not what they used to be and not what the reputation was built on. I just recommended a pair to a friend (when I couldn't find any new Philips 9500's in the US) and the Chinese version is not up to the original, Austrian product. Not as comfortable -- I can't imagine how/why they couldn't perfectly reproduce the physical product. The replaceable cord is nice. I didn't listen to anything worth listening to on my friend's new phones but the new (Chinese) version is 55Ω whereas the older (Austrian) version was 600Ω -- an obvious nod toward the portable-digital-device market rather than the studios.
My 2¢
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trombahonker Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I have Sennheiser HD650 and Beyerdynamic DT990 pro headphones. Both are higher resistance and need a good output source to have good color, but they are excellent and industry-standards that are great long-term investments. I use them regularly with a Schiit Audio Magni 3 amplifier.
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:10 am Post subject: |
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I buy Sennheiser exclusively..
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jrd19580 Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:04 am Post subject: |
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VetPsychWars wrote: | I buy Sennheiser exclusively..
Tom |
I have been using Sennheiser's with my Yamaha Silent Brass and they are fantastic! _________________ Yamaha 8310Z
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boog Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:38 am Post subject: |
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One of my favorite sets is the old Realistic Nova 15 headphones, originally made by Sennheiser. I wore my first set out, went without for a long time, and finally found another set a few years ago on Ebay. Open backed, very accurate and comfortable.
I laughed when I recently viewed an in-studio video of the Mark Taylor big band, and one of the trombonists was wearing the Nova 15's. I guess that means that someone else found them as useful! |
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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Jun 2017 Posts: 104 Location: Muskegon, MI
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Headphones for Practice |
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Denny Schreffler wrote: | tyler.slamkowski wrote: | Hey all,
I'm looking for a good pair of open headphones to practice along with recordings, especially jazz transcriptions. What do you use? I'm looking at AKG K-240 headphones right now.
Looking for something that allows my own playing sound to enter when I'm listening and playing along. I have good closed-ear headphones for intentional listening.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Tyler |
I used AKG240's from 1989 until a couple of years ago, before Philips realized that their 9500 'phones (which could be found on deep sale for $50) could be sold for $200 and more. If you can find a good price on SHP9500S -- they are great -- efficient, fairly neutral, and very comfortable for prolonged use -- more comfortable than the AKG240, and, they let in just the right amount of sound when playing and listening at the same time. At $200 or $300, though, I'd want to see what else is available in the price range.
BEWARE -- the current AKG240's are not what they used to be and not what the reputation was built on. I just recommended a pair to a friend (when I couldn't find any new Philips 9500's in the US) and the Chinese version is not up to the original, Austrian product. Not as comfortable -- I can't imagine how/why they couldn't perfectly reproduce the physical product. The replaceable cord is nice. I didn't listen to anything worth listening to on my friend's new phones but the new (Chinese) version is 55Ω whereas the older (Austrian) version was 600Ω -- an obvious nod toward the portable-digital-device market rather than the studios.
My 2¢
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Denny, sounds like you're thinking along the same lines as I am (open headphones, for prolonged continuous playing). I don't want to hook up to a silent brass or anything; I want to play normally.
So you like the Philips better, then? I've found some for $50, supposedly. Online. What makes them so much better than the AKGs, sound-wise? Not too open to where your playing keeps you from hearing the music in the headphones? |
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tyler.slamkowski Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:41 am Post subject: |
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zaferis wrote: | For use with a Yamaha Silent Brass system, I find I like the over ear headphones. I have a Bose set.. I feel pretty comfortable with what I hear, and find the over-ear design provides an interesting perspective. Almost like hearing yourself in the 3rd person/from the front end of the trumpet.
There is little point to hearing the accoustic side of this kind of setup... opening one ear, or partially covering each ear is always optional.
The best quality headphone, giving you the best sound and most dynamic control, then adjust how you wear them..
Yea! Muskegon. I grew up on Terrace St.
good luck. |
Yeah Muskegon! Small world. Where did you go to school? I have some Bose sound-canceling headhpones, but I want something that I can use when I play without a mute. So open-ear. Good thoughts, though. |
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 390 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Headphones for Practice |
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tyler.slamkowski wrote: |
Denny, sounds like you're thinking along the same lines as I am (open headphones, for prolonged continuous playing). I don't want to hook up to a silent brass or anything; I want to play normally.
So you like the Philips better, then? I've found some for $50, supposedly. Online. What makes them so much better than the AKGs, sound-wise? Not too open to where your playing keeps you from hearing the music in the headphones? |
Much more comfortable on the head around the ear and on the top of the head, especially compared to the new/Chinese 240's.
I have not listened to the "new-and-improved" 240's enough to offer a legitimate opinion on their sound.
Philips lets in more room sound than the AKG -- just right as far as I'm concerned.
Newwegg and Amazon used to have the 9500's all the time. I purchase three pair last year as low aw $50 and no more than $70.
fwiw, I listen only thru a computer -- audiophile days (and ears) are long gone.
-Denny |
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